If we accept that qualia are specific to consciousness, then it matters in
terms of gestalt classification whether a rock should be treated as a
conscious object, or not. As stated before, my view is that
proto-consciousness is pervasive via the wave function. For now, I hold the
view that qualia is distinct from proto-consciousness, but somehow
associated.

On Wed, 02 Sept 2026, 16:07 Matt Mahoney, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Back to your original question of whether rocks have qualia, what does
> that mean? How would you know? What would be the difference if it did or
> did not?
>
> If you use my definition of measuring consciousness in bits of information
> in a storage device, then zinc sulfide doped with copper (used in glow in
> the dark paint) will store photons of blue light by raising an electron to
> a higher energy state and storing in a copper atom. After several minutes
> it will release the electron and emit a 550 nm yellow green photon.
> Likewise, light will convert silver iodide to tiny grains of silver that
> appear black in photographic film for more permanent storage.
>
> LLMs are trained on 20 TB of text, which is 20,000 times as much conscious
> experience as a human. If that's the definition you want to use. You tell
> me.
>
> -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected]
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2026, 9:52 AM Quan Tesla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing. Most useful application. Reminds me of the shift to:
>> noise = real signal.
>>
>> On Wed, 02 Sept 2026, 15:25 John Rose via AGI, <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 02, 2026, at 9:03 AM, Quan Tesla wrote:
>>>
>>> Can competitive commerce and tortoise-like human decision systems afford
>>> to wait 3 to 10 months before starting to adapt to an "aware" AI-corporate
>>> reality?
>>>
>>>
>>> No. For example things like this need to be scrutinized for rogue AI's
>>> from a national security perspective:
>>>
>>> https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/Template:DatabaseUNID
>>>
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