Mike A:It's more like I just don't like the way people reason
and behave. It seems almost nothing but caprices, whims, biases,
proceeding off inadequate information
Just so. Which is a complete contrast with narrow AI and would be AGI at the
mo, which, as is well recognized work with full information.
ALL real world reasoning proceeds from exceedingly inadequate information,
including the whole of science, even the most brilliant science. Given the
inadequacy of that info. , it is relatively amazing what we have achieved,
and not at all surprising that we have all kinds of shortcomings.
AI and science have an extremely inadequately informed picture of how humans
reason with inadequate information.
They, you & other AI-ers are judging human, poorly informed real world
reasoning by the standards of fully informed narrow AI programs and
artificial world logic and maths. Wh is in itself a very badly informed
thing to do.
We need to first learn more about the constraints of real world reasoning,
before we come to any conclusions.
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From: "Mike Archbold" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 3:04 AM
To: "AGI" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [agi] Siri goes haywire over Steve Jobs's death
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>
wrote:
Mike A:Who wants a computer not in the
mood to do its work, or committing suicide?
Anyone who wants an AGI - IOW a machine smart enough to be able to think
about whether its work may or may not be worth the effort, and whether
its
life may or may not be worth living, given its goals and likely chances
of
success ... and smart enough to be able to quit projects that may or may
not
be worthwhile. Someone who wants more than the dumb, algorithmic brutes
AI-ers currently produce, which just do whatever they're told to the
bitter
end, completely unable to question anything and completely inflexible.
Mike:The human race is no gold standard of intelligent behavior.
This again is a standard AI-er conceit, and also rather unquestioning.
Human
intelligence provides the only standard of intelligent behavior there is
(with a nod to the odd animal superiority). I've never seen anyone who
claims there is a higher standard, show the slightest capacity to
demonstrate what that standard might entail.
This is just kind of personal opinions here... I don't discount your
take on this. It's more like I just don't like the way people reason
and behave. It seems almost nothing but caprices, whims, biases,
proceeding off inadequate information, taking the false for true,
wasteful, the total lack of empathy, tiresome social rules such as
those relating to class, and on and on.... If the intent is really to
duplicate human intelligence, make more of that crap, then just make
more humans, and that is after all what has been going on all this
time. Especially in China!
Sure, everything is improvable. But AI-ers' understanding of what real
world
intelligence involves, is woefully narrow - for instance, they don't
even
realise that intelligence involves being able to question everything -
and
be unsure of everything - as Descartes was, and science is, explicitly,
and
everyone's brain is implicitly.
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