Todor:There are always criteria for halting Problem Activities:
1."Walk down your local high street." 2."Let's have a conversation about AGI". 3."Have sex with your girlfriend." 4. Discuss: "Boris has delusions of grandeur." 5."Shop on Amazon for some good new books on AI" 6."Write a post in reply to this one." 7."Read this morning's newspaper." What are the definitive criteria for halting in these real world problemsolving activities? Er, there are none. You can and will set up criteria - but they will be arbitrary (if probably reasonable), they will be imprecise, they will conflict with other criteria, and you will change or modify them tomorrow - as you have your whole life. (And there are no halting criteria for arriving at new criteria). Real world activities are a matter of creative, artistic judgment, not rational, scientific judgment. We can go through the vast list of human real world activities, one by one, and you will find no "formulae", no [step-by-step] rules anywhere in the culture/society. People may tell you they have the "formula" for success in these activities, but it won't be what any AI-er would recognize as a formula or algorithm - just vague, general prescriptive principles. Real world reasoning and real world activities are of a whole different REALM/WORLD to the rational problemsolving of narrow AI, logic, maths etc. The latter is deterministic, structured activity and problemsolving in artificial environments, the real world is free, unstructured activity and problemsolving in real, unstructured environments (and is v. commonly described in such terms). The latter is where s.o. decided "*this* is the way we are going to count/calculate/spell/build a Lego house/locomote through a warehouse or a rail network/think about a problem... - and that's the 'right' and only way to do it" The real world is where there are multiple ways to count/calculate or do anything else - and potentially an infinity of ways, incl. new and better ways. Welcome to the real world. P.S. Patchworks are a formalisation of real world, creative activities and products - look again at those patchworks, and you will see there are no criteria for determining what parts, structure or form your next patchwork in the series should take (unlike your next variation on an existing pattern). Patchworks are free - free form, free structure, free parts - within loose constraints or boundaries. Each new patchwork in a collection can have multiple and potentially infinite new forms,structures and parts. There are no criteria for halting in producing them - or indeed in writing a program or any work of art. . ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
