From: Jim Bromer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 1:53 AM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Happy 100th Birthday Alan Turing - No, computers will never think, but machines will!
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Colin Geoffrey Hales <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Physicists get the need for replication, but totally miss the need for the observer in science. Neuroscientists are examine the physics of the observer, and total miss the role of replication in science. Sheesh this is hard. That is an interesting point but you are dealing with two areas on the frontiers of science. It is a little too conservative. You want to be on the edge of new sciences but wish that they were framed with the dark stained oaks of the finest institutions. You sound a little like a caricature of a somewhat stuffy academic. Woohoo! I have finally made the grade to stuffy academic! :) In replying to you I did see that simple simulations that led to basic insights about how an airplane should be designed were a key part of the Wright's method of development so I am going to start doing some simple experiments in AGI. The Wright Bros did not simulate _anything_. They REPLICATED the physics. (Computers didn't exist then!) That's the whole point of my CERN remark. REPLICATION, even when you know nothing about the physics, will tell you what to model by helping to formalise the physics. The replicated physics of flight flies. Computed/simulated physics doesn't. Ergo, by extension, The replicated physics of a brain cognises. Computed/simulated models don't. It's a little harder to see what's happening in a brain, but the principle is sound. CERN/LHC folk know this. Time for the rest of us to catch on. Do you get the difference between replication and (simulation/emulation/mimicry)? This is the brick wall I keep hitting. Ok. I think I'll just crawl back under my stodgy academic rock. Cheers Colin ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
