Mike, Lakoff's reply to you is not about "image schema" but rather about "process schema" , specifically naranyan's x-schema
naranyan's x-schema are "a graph-based, token-passing formalism based on stochastic Petri nets" http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~snarayan/CFN-NCPW04.pdf These x-schema are an abstract mathematical formalism, and not intrinsically "imagistic" Naranyan uses x-schema as a bridge btw language, action, perception and reasoning -- much as opencog uses its atomspace model in this role Ben G -- Ben Goertzel http://goertzel.org ### Sent from my mobile; plz forgive any typos or excessive concision ... On 24 Jul, 2012, at 5:17 AM, "Mike Tintner" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: George Lakoff > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 10:11 PM > To: Mike Tintner > Subject: Re: [Cogling-L] The scope of image schemas > > Narayanan's X-schemas (or process schemas) characterize all events and > actions and actually control physical actions. So you're right about that. We > are now working on entity schemas, but we're not there yet. > > George > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> > wrote: > Lakoff:The idea behind image metaphors is simple. Images are structured by > image > schemas. A given image has multiple image schemas linked via neural binding > to form a composite image schema ? or more than one. Metaphors map one > image to another by mapping the source image schemas to the identical image > schemas in the target > > George, > > Your exposition was v. useful. Can you/should you not extend the scope of > image schemas? They structure presumably under > > *Images* : both > > *Verbal Images* & > *Graphic/Photographic/Sensory Images*. > > and not just word images but : > > *Words/Language/Concepts" - period; *all words* are structured by image > schemas, no? > > And from that one can one go on to argue - no? - that they structure > > *Moves/Movement* - period - that, for example, our reaching for a cup is > structured by a schema. > > After all, language is used principally to structure actions: "Hand me that > cup" - "Go to the other room". It makes sense that image schemas should > structure not just verbally-mediated action, but all action, however > mediated. The same mirror neurons that respond to (image-schema-structured) > verbal accounts of action, also respond when just watching direct sensory > images of agents executing those actions. > > Concepts/schemas arguably structure all the actions of living creatures. > > Comments? > > P.S. Personally, I think it's helpful to think of image schemas as "[loose] > outlines" - esp. in connection with actions. Comments? > > AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
