Jim,
JIM> … it is a projection of a dim awareness of an inner sense about yourself
that is personally too threatening to the maintenance of your exaggerated level
of self-esteem for you to accept.
SERGIO> Thanks for the psychoanalysis. Really, I am not satirical. I can tell
you what my fears are. I found EI, a tiny detail in the immensity of
observational science. It becomes important because so many people have been
looking for it for so long, and because a number of major technologies are
stuck without EI. So my top priority is to communicate my experience to young
people while I can. Which is not a very long time. And this is my fear.
I started three parallel efforts, in Complexity, Computer Engineering, and AGI.
Complexity is going well. CE is going very well. AGI has been going nowhere. I
have been in Academia all my life. I am accostumed to scientists being very
happy when a new observation is made, and trying to fit it in their theories.
Not in AGI. From some people (not all), I get the feeling that they would
prefer not to hear about EI. I see them going to exagerated extremes ("the
pomposity of science", or "Friston's ideas will not make much of a dent in
producing AGI" in the same sentence where you admit your wish to understand
more about it). Is it perhaps possible that the fears you say I am projecting,
are actually your fears that you are projecting? Is it possible that your sense
of self-esteem is no less exagerated than mine? Maybe you are projecting a dim
awareness of your own inner fear. You seem to believe that you (and other
AGIers) will produce AGI, not Friston. And you jump at any suggestion I make
that you may be wrong.
There is a lot to be gained by trying to be objective, as much as possible.
That's why Physics relies on observation that is reproducible and
observer-agnostic. That's why I try to use principles and laws of nature. I
know that people from other disciplines can't understand the laws, but the laws
can't be ignored even if they don't understand why.
JIM> nobody really knows how the brain works
SERGIO> I agree. But we can still consider that what is known. Are you
ignoring that too? Just wondering.
Sergio
From: Jim Bromer [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 8:27 PM
To: AGI
Subject: Re: [agi] Uncertainty, causality, entropy, self-organization, and
Schroedinger's cat.
Sergio:Reading your posts, seems as if you are the only person in the world who
knows what he is doing.
Sergio, You are projecting. How am I sure of that? Contrary to your comment,
I am the only one in this discussion who says that nobody really knows how the
brain works. You have certainly sounded like you are claiming to have the
underlying principles all figured out and Adam sounds like he was arguing that
Friston was well on his way. So the claim that I seem to you as if I was "the
only person in the world who knows what he is doing," is not only an
exaggeration but absurdly inaccurate. So why would you say it? Because it is a
projection of a dim awareness of an inner sense about yourself that is
personally too threatening to the maintenance of your exaggerated level of
self-esteem for you to accept.
I think Friston is pretty interesting just because it looks like fun. I wish I
understood more about it. However, his ideas will not make much of a dent in
producing artificial general intelligence. There is nothing that advances the
field enough in his ideas and the Bayesian Networks have not proven themselves
strong enough to produce AGI. So I am not too worried about being proven wrong
about this.
Jim Bromer
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