Ok. "That's just the way it is" is your example.
Now you have to explain how it is mathematical - and you have to relate it
to mathematical symbology or figures - the actual stuff of maths - not
concepts or ideas which are merely about, and not intrinsic to, maths.
We'll wait for your answer - and you won't be able to show any relationship
of your example to maths.
"Way" for example is a physical concept - but "in no way" is it
mathematical.
This BTW is important. Conceptual thought is the stuff of AGI - and it is
precisely what maths can't handle. Maths has been a total failure in terms
of AGI.
-----Original Message-----
From: John G. Rose
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:43 PM
To: AGI
Subject: RE: [agi] How Steve can be creative (or: The Nature of
Intelligence/AGI)
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]]
You've just stated* that I am forming a math. model - and given not the
slightest reason or evidence, other than "that's just the way it is."
I gave you examples of general/ conceptual thought - none of them are
mathematical. Mathematical thought is in fact demonstrably the opposite of
conceptual thought - "specific general" vs "general general" (truly
general). Maths is always tied to specifics. Conceptual thought is on the
contrary always vague.
None of you can (or will ) give any examples of a mathematical concept.
Boris merely exploded when challenged. You have retreated into fantasy.
In real world reasoning, John - you reason from the *evidence* and produce
examples. Try it sometime.
That's the example -> "That's just the way it is." Both specific and
general. I offer that structure from my mind to your mind. It is symbols and
action. You deconstruct/construct. It has handles in your memory that start
connections to other actions and memories in your mind. It's a meme and a
teme (Blackmore). It is Symbols and Operations. It is a mathematical
structure operated on mathematically by your mind even though your mind
readily denies it as anti-mathematter.. :)
John
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