Next you will ask me to define math. Then define define. Those words are symbols. Without them this is what you get: " "
Do you see anything there? It is the absence of symbols. That too has meaning and meaning plus meaning + meaning + meaning is the same as lots of meaning, meaning + meaning = meaning... but the absence of symbols indicates nothing equals nada = zippo = 0. Are you understanding this? "This" in your mind at this moment not over there, here, now, less than later, < later ... > now, greater than, > than, >> now = much later. Should I continue? No? Not? 0=NO. 1=YES. Maybe? Maybeeee many times, 10 x maybe = maybe maybe maybe maybe...same as very possibly. Use your imagination :) John > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] > > Ok. "That's just the way it is" is your example. > > Now you have to explain how it is mathematical - and you have to relate it to > mathematical symbology or figures - the actual stuff of maths - not concepts > or ideas which are merely about, and not intrinsic to, maths. > > We'll wait for your answer - and you won't be able to show any relationship > of your example to maths. > > "Way" for example is a physical concept - but "in no way" is it mathematical. > > This BTW is important. Conceptual thought is the stuff of AGI - and it is > precisely what maths can't handle. Maths has been a total failure in terms of > AGI. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John G. Rose > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 4:43 PM > To: AGI > Subject: RE: [agi] How Steve can be creative (or: The Nature of > Intelligence/AGI) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > You've just stated* that I am forming a math. model - and given not > > the slightest reason or evidence, other than "that's just the way it is." > > > > I gave you examples of general/ conceptual thought - none of them are > > mathematical. Mathematical thought is in fact demonstrably the > > opposite of conceptual thought - "specific general" vs "general > > general" (truly general). Maths is always tied to specifics. > > Conceptual thought is on the contrary always vague. > > > > None of you can (or will ) give any examples of a mathematical concept. > > Boris merely exploded when challenged. You have retreated into fantasy. > > > > In real world reasoning, John - you reason from the *evidence* and > > produce examples. Try it sometime. > > > > > > That's the example -> "That's just the way it is." Both specific and general. I > offer that structure from my mind to your mind. It is symbols and action. You > deconstruct/construct. It has handles in your memory that start connections > to other actions and memories in your mind. It's a meme and a teme > (Blackmore). It is Symbols and Operations. It is a mathematical structure > operated on mathematically by your mind even though your mind readily > denies it as anti-mathematter.. :) > > John > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829- > 59a2eca5 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/248029- > d0d678e2 > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > e08df8db > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
