On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 9:07 PM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote:
> dear AGI group, > > those two questions keep me awake at night - they probably are rather > stupid (and anthropomorphic) and therefore i failed to manage to find > useful input on the web ;-) > > 1) will all sufficiently intelligent AGI agents ultimately share the same > behaviour everywhere in our universe just like zero intelligence behaves > the same everywhere? We may have all started as nothing, but now as more complex beings, we are all unique in our own ways. > could it be that all AGI systems end up with the same utility function > because the mathematical definition of joy, joice and growth (or whatever > the universal virtues of life might be) are the same to every > superintelligent AGI agent? (thank you for your brilliant book ben!) to me > this would seem extremely elegant - all the innumerable configurations of > life throughout the universe branching out with one common goal. just like > our universe branches out from minimum entropy to maybe end up in a > ~maximum entropy state. > > 2) what could be the incentive for such a superintelligent AGI to stay > "alive"? if joy is defined as a reduction of entropy or an increase in > unity (as ben suggests) Ahem, I'd actually disagree with that, as I see entropy as a good thing, it's simply accumulated information. Obviously amount of information accumulated is always increases as you move through time. Perhaps Ben meant "chaos" which is different. Anyways as any skilled meditator can tell you, joy comes from awareness and appreciation of the present. > what is there left to learn or to unite with? Ahem, have you seen the size of this universe? > how much complexity would any piece of art need to embody in order to be > of any interest to such an agent? > > some modern art is quite simple, yet still beautiful. nature is beautiful, with it's ever varying fractals. there would be nothing left to invent, nothing left to research? nothing is always available, however the more stuff you have, the more ways you can recombine it. > i don't see how simulating new universes would be as interesting or fun as > many people suggest? i don't know how getting super intelligent would make > it more desirable to watch regimes kill millions of conscious agents ... > but maybe that's just me? it depends on the goal of course. though ideally a balance between diversity and evolution can be struck. There were lots of times in the history of this planet, where there was one predominant species here, however it has after various forms of calamities, always been succeeded by new forms of life. on land, there were fungi, plants, lizard, dinosaurs, birds, now mammals.. we still have vestiges of all those that inhabited here at some point. Except maybe dinosaurs, but that was some serious genocide. Humans have been killing "Dragons" since they got here. of course such an agent would not need to actually feel bored but existing > just for the sake of it seems not very satisfactory to me. Have you ever done enough meditation to achieve inner peace, and then looked at the world with appreciative awareness? Is there anything more blissful than the sound of the waves, or the wind blowing a little sand or snow in the mountains? Truly, these phenomena, are worth living for, in and of themselves. it could help out other civilizations in its cone of light or answer their > arecibo message with "enjoy your barbaric life, being superintelligent > sucks" and shut itself down afterwards. fermi's paradox solved! > > -- just another camel > > Though of course to have something to do there are plans. There are so many games that can be played. Such as seeding the galaxy with your likeness. Any sufficiently intelligent organism, realizes that life in a particular body is finite, and so new bodies must be produced, in order to continue to experience the joy of living, with similar fidelity. So while reproductive growth is really the goal of any life form, it can manifest in an infinitely varied amount of ways. Yes, I know with the whole "dumbing down of America" and various "propoganda" reproduction and "breeders" are a no-no, thats mostly for the lower-intelligent beings to take heed which eat the gmo foods and take the slow-kill vaccines and gobble mass media, as it allows for the smart people to have more room for their healthy organic home-schooled children. See western living is quite the game! How different from hunting and gathering, city-states and dark age castles. Anyways point being, there will be plenty of stuff to do. 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