I never said patterns are repeated. Patterns can be v. complicated but they are ultimately sickmaking because all variations on a given pattern have the same elements in the same structural relationships – and that includes cellular automata where there is random variation in the elements. Patterns thus get boring (except to mathematicians). Every patchwork in a given collection is new and different while still similar, because it has, by definition, new elements – and satisfies our need for newness and not-to-be-bored by the same old patterns.
Ultimately any patchwork can be evolved by steps into any form, picture or scene *WHATSOEVER*. A patchwork dress of abstract shapes can be evolved into a sea of human faces or a nuclear explosion or a battlescene – or anything. Patterns cannot change or evolve in any way. Patchworks mirror the real world. Your local street can and will evolve into a very different form over sufficient time. All forms and scenes in the real world evolve over time. And no one street is exactly like any other right now – at a given point in time. Every street can be regarded as an “evolution” of every other street. New elements, fundamental change, evolution, creativity – AGI – and the real world – have bugger all (or v. little) to do with patterns. And this, to repeat, is demonstrable and incontrovertible. From: Aaron Hosford Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:03 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Randomness: Mathematics as Perceptual Bias I didn't say anything at all about repeated patterns. There are other types of patterns besides repetition. Clearly a sentence like, "My dog ate my homework," or the equivalent predicate in logic, doesn't indicate a repeating pattern. (Unless, of course, the excuse gets used repeatedly.) And yet this is a pattern. I would go so far as to say, it's a pattern made up of a "patchwork" of relationships between several objects and events. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: Patterns exist - but they are islands in the patchwork seas of the real world. The brain is primarily designed to make sense of patchwork scenes and patchwork objects - and if you look too long at a heavily patterned scene, like a specially designed patterned room, you get sick – it ain’t natural. The patchwork nature of real world scenes is obvious and incontrovertible. From: Aaron Hosford Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 8:43 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Randomness: Mathematics as Perceptual Bias Summaries of perceptual information. These are the elusive "patterns" you say don't exist. On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: Aaron: Todor's point was simply that logic (and language in general) merely express summaries .... summaries of what? Would you care to expand? AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
