As much as I would love that list, or any other list, to act as a benchmark of intermediate progress, I think there is something deeply wrong with it, albeit it may be simply an "extension" of the cheating concerns of Ben et al. The list does sound like a very reasonable way to check the cognitive progress of children, and with the danger of psychologizing Piaget style, I'd like to offer another candidate item that occurred to me while watching the animated Tron: run-and-hide, or hide-n-seek. Tron is an action-packed franchise which includes a lot of fighting, and a lot of running. If you have any experience with any pre-arithmetic, even pre-linguistic children, and of course pretty much any animal all the way down to protozoa, you can see that they all, occasionally, have to "choose" between the f-f (fight or flee), with two more f's (food and fuck) being of interest.
Of course these strategies are cheatable, a couple of simple heuristics and you are "in", except that one cheating strategy may be extremely desirable: run-and-hide controlled by proper environmental measures and simulations that balance energy expenditure in running versus the risk of being caught/derezzed/eaten, all again in the context of food gathering and intelligence gathering on the predators (whether literally or ritualistically the grown ups etc). Which in a way returns to my pet peeve, that intelligence is pretty much a nonsensical word if not applied to organisms and even populations. Sure, I can solve some algebra problems for you without the 4 f's playing any major role, but in a sense I have also cheated, my organism is much more suited to hunting gathering in the jungle and after a lot of "brain hacking" I have acquired some algebra skills superior to masses of hunter gatherers but arguably inferior to what proper mathematicians would like them to be. Rephrased, I use a couple of heuristics that were given to me by the giants of mathematics to get by, and I don't see how this is different from coding a couple of heuristics to pass the "early AGI childhood" test. >From a different point of view, my intuition is that a child is a brilliant intellect, not a so-and-so iffy developing intellect. Certainly a short while after passing this kind of basic capabilities test it would be ready to pass most survival and IQ tests, including the Turing test, as an "odd person" perhaps but a person nevertheless. Generally, most people will not go past the "minimum required" model building and experimenting with the world, ie they will suck at algebra and dancing and poetry and..., and I am fully confident small children cope just as well at a minimum level long before we teach them any fancy mathematics and grammar. So, at the end of the day I would favor open-ended free-form problem domains and model-building - I have previously suggested the generalized game contests as suitably free-form and deep, naturally language is also free-form enough. Also programs that would learn to program the hard way are of interest, let's say a program screen scraping http://www.tryfsharp.org/ and trying to build interesting programs online, or even participating at Topcoder, now that would be something! For internal use one could make use of the occasional Brett-ian checklist, and vary some parameters, for example one could throttle the bandwidth of the input channel(s), also tweak the output channel, and see if learning speeds up or if it falls apart, hopefully discovering internal architectures that can zoom in on the environment's invariants quite reliably and independently of common environmental transforms. Output channel would be, for example, the ability to have a rich interaction with the environment by "turning the head", "piling" objects etc. I expect very little from architectures that are "observe-only", such as statistical learning. Of course an SVM or similar could be made to pass the Brett test, but I could only call such a pass cheating :) AT ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
