If a goal is “clearly definable”, it’s specific. What we want for AGI is a conceptual system that functions like or mirrors language - no concept in language is “clearly definable” – hence philosophers can go on for ever about the definition of any concept.
We want a robot that can “GO TO THE KITCHEN” – those are general, not clearly definable, specific concepts/goals – and that is how an AGI like you can use them to GO via any mode of travel to any kind of KITCHEN. “Clearly definable” and “specific” are dirty words for AGI. From: Jim Bromer Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:31 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Could Algorithm Generators be a Feasible and Effective AGI Method? No, I am not thinking about specific goals. So you are wrong. I believe that every concept is relatively general. So perhaps this is where your misunderstanding is coming from. On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: It’s suicidal –in the real world. You won’t be able to adapt to new situations (“sorry Chinese is off tonight”). You’re thinking in terms of specific goals.AGI is about general goals - all living creatures are driven in the first instance by general drives and general goals- not specific ones. Narrow AI is always specific – and your & every other AGI-er’s urges are always to be specific – whereas AGI is the opposite. From: Jim Bromer Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 10:36 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Could Algorithm Generators be a Feasible and Effective AGI Method? It is not suicidal to set goals and a remark like that shows that you are on the wrong track. Just because the goals that we are most interested in may be elusive that does not mean that we cannot use goal strategies to help us learn what is achievable and acceptable. The irony of course is that once we discover more realizable goals we usually find that our previous goals were not only not realizable but they were really not that desirable. Pursuing unclear goals are not the path you choose. Evidently, you have to decide whether that is a path you would like to take. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: Jim: So if a goal is clearly definable (for an AGi program)... No goals are clearly definable in AGI – at the program level as opposed to in particular situations. What are the goals of real world activities – like conversation/ reading [science/lit..] books..? You can set goals in particular situations ... “I want Chinese tonight” But in general, it would be suicidal and isn’t possible. AGI is about creative machines dealing with a creative world – in which both the machine and the world keep changing, and there is no way of predicting what food (or other goal instantiations) will be available, or what of the vast untried number of cuisines might be worth sampling, or what condition/state your body will be in and therefore what foods it will be attracted to . The goals of an AGI have to be general, vague and capable of continuous refinement - and new combinations with other goals. AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
