Jim: Generalities can be clearly defined Cobblers. Define one concept in the language clearly.
Well at least you see the clear antithesis here. You *want* to be specific – as all AGI-ers do – algorithms are always specific about what needs to be done. And that is completely wrong for AGI (except as a lower, routine level). General vagueness – which distinguishes language – is the heart of AGI – that generates creativity. Logic and maths are always specific. Language – which AI has yet to truly tackle – is general. From: Jim Bromer Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 11:57 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Could Algorithm Generators be a Feasible and Effective AGI Method? Generalities can be clearly defined. The word is sometimes used to refer to some kind of vagueness or lack of specificity and I sometimes want to use generalizations without knowing how all the elements are specified.. However, I believe that the idea of conceptual relativism is extremely important and so I would say that any specification has the potential to be taken as a generalization and any generality has the potential to be taken as a specific. However, I am not bound to the classical systems of hierarchical generalization as you seem to be. For instance I would say that an element might only be partially included in the generalization (I think that is a fundamental basis of reality) and I know that a lot of guys in this group would insist that a specific might be probabilistically related to a generalization or it might have some other weighted value to represent how it belongs to a generalization. On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: If a goal is “clearly definable”, it’s specific. What we want for AGI is a conceptual system that functions like or mirrors language - no concept in language is “clearly definable” – hence philosophers can go on for ever about the definition of any concept. We want a robot that can “GO TO THE KITCHEN” – those are general, not clearly definable, specific concepts/goals – and that is how an AGI like you can use them to GO via any mode of travel to any kind of KITCHEN. “Clearly definable” and “specific” are dirty words for AGI. AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
