I sincerely wanted to understand what you were saying. I thought by you diagramming it out, it would make sense.However, your resistance to diagramming is obvious. I'll just scratch my head at your "Summary", and go on living my life. Hakuna Matata, ~PM
From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [agi] I'd Rather Talk About AGI Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:15:30 -0400 This sounds a little personal. (Maybe I shouldn't be getting involved.) I do not have any reason to accommodate you on your wish that I draw a diagram. It is like Alan's comment that he was personally insulted that I did not bother to format the messages for his display. I am not interested in drawing a diagram for this summary because it would be irrelevant. Your emotional attachment of turning your suggestion into a demand is a little creepy but otherwise quite humorous. I just explained to you that replying to these messages was an adaptation. How could you not get that? If I was preparing a presentation I would do things differently but that is not a real issue. You haven't realized that your emotional sense of what is real does not objectively apply to the social sphere and even less to this group. Our perceptions of what is going on in this forum and the consequences of acting in it are not very reliable. We should be able to guess the basics but the rest is out of our range of guessing. I am not drawing a diagram for this summary. I was interested in hearing your thoughts on my ideas, but since -it is obvious that- you did not understand them I guess it easier just to avoid the discussion. Jim Bromer From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [agi] I'd Rather Talk About AGI Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 12:54:36 -0700 Learning happens when you adapt to your environment. Particularly whenyou modify your model (accommodate) based on the received feedback. We can also choose to reject environmental feedback in which case learning does not occur. Moreover, when we reject environmentalfeedback it can lead to the end of a particular cycle of interaciton. For biological systems rejecting environmental feedback can lead to death.For cognitive systems, it's not so serious. No worries. In your case Jim, accommodation could have occurred if you decided to makeeven one diagram to show what you were talking about. Or if you gave an enumerated outline of your points followed by bulleted examples. The run ontext is just extremely hard to follow. I would imagine when you attempt to program it, it will likewise be extremely muddled. (But I could be wrong.). The real question is, how would you explain it so that someone else can program it for you. Not just you programming it for yourself. Suppose you wanted me to code your theory for you, what instructions would you giveme? ~PM From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [agi] I'd Rather Talk About AGI Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 15:37:54 -0400 There hasn't been any reasonable feedback based on the content of what I said except that it wasn't worth commenting on. I am sorry that you guys did not get anything from my summary but that is not my fault. Jim Bromer From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [agi] I'd Rather Talk About AGI Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:45:10 -0700 Whatever feedback is accepted, becomes an adaptation (to the feedback). Whatever feedback is rejected is a failure to adapt (to the feedback). The original statement stands as is. In your case Jim, you've failed to adapt yourself to other people's comments. That's your decision. But it is an adaptation failure. You should recognize that. ~PM From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [agi] I'd Rather Talk About AGI Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:18:37 -0400 There is a difference between rejecting one particular kind of feedback and rejecting all feedback. You made an error of overgeneralization. From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [agi] I'd Rather Talk About AGI Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:07:58 -0700 Some Cognitive Systems accept feedback and incorporate it, thereby adapting to their environment.Other Cognitive Systems reject feedback, and fail to adapt. ~PM From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [agi] I'd Rather Talk About AGI Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:04:05 -0400 AGI is a little beyond the fringe of feasibility right now. So there is almost no risk of discovering that your criticism of someone's speculation about AGI was really stupid. However, that does not mean that your criticisms are insightful. If a criticism does not include something about a central issue of AGI then it is not really that great a criticism. I do appreciate noting that I used the wrong word and I appreciate the suggestion that I think about presenting my ideas as if I was delivering a power point presentation to a group. But a diagram of my ideas, for example, would not help at this point. I haven't written the program or started dividing the AGI part into modules so a diagram would just add to the nonsense. There is no question that a major reason for this group is to discuss speculative ideas about AGI programs and the fact that some people are not able to appreciate or get another person's ideas them does not stand as an intellectual basis for a justification of dismissing them. On the other hand, a person who has a good criticism now and then but who is constantly badgering people who disagree with him is just drowning himself out. I always think it is a waste to see someone who has something to insightful to say once in a while but totally lacks the discretion to know how to filter the garbage. 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