Mike etc., In
http://wiki.opencog.org/w/CogPrime_Overview#A_CogPrime_Thought_Experiment:_Build_Me_Something_I_Haven.E2.80.99t_Seen_Before I give a narrative of how a completed OpenCog system with a roughly humanoid robotic embodiment might respond to a query to "Build me something I haven't seen before" by building a car-man, displaying a combination of car properties and man properties This is a somewhat watered-down extract from a late chapter in the forthcoming (currently the text is done and I'm just fixing Latex errors) book Building Better Minds... Of course, I could explain how OpenCog would do ball-box in a similar manner to car-man, but I'm on vacation this week and will be busy when I get home, so I guess I will leave that as an exercise for the reader ;p So I have two quick reations to your "ballbox" challenge... 1) It is untrue that we AGI researchers have not thought about this sort of issue... my link above is evidence otherwise.... Concept blending is a mainstream topic in cog sci and there was a paper on it at the last AGI conference, actually... 2) The fact that you personally find our plans for achieving grounded/embodied concept blending, to be unlikely to work, doesn't particularly prove anything except that you have a different intuition about intelligence and its implementation than everyone in the AGI research community..... So what? ;) ben g On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote: > *What we’ve just seen with Jim is yet another example here of effective > creative illiteracy –s.o. talking about their “creative” AGI project > without any attempt at defining either its O.D. (the effect to be achieved) > or an effective mechanism - without, to put that extremely crudely in > common parlance, having any “idea”.* > ** > *To repeat, this is appalling – it’s simply non-creative and a waste of > space.* > ** > *So to take further steps to eradicate this disease, let me put forward a > general O.D. for A.G.I projects (and to some extent all culturally creative > projects).* > ** > *Your project must have an E.M. for how* > ** > *BALL + BOX = BALLBOX* > ** > *i.e. you have to show how with only standard knowledge of two objects, > balls & boxes, you can a) generate and/or b) understand a new, third > object, “ball-box” that is derived from them by non-standard means. In this > case, a BALLBOX is a box shaped like a ball rather than a cube.* > ** > *(That is a more concrete way of saying: “you must be able to show how > your project can think outside the box”).* > ** > *Another example would be, you must have an E.M. for how* > ** > *CAT + DOG = CATOTAUR * > ** > *a creature, similar to a minotaur, half cat, half dog.* > ** > *Or, you must have an E.M. for how* > ** > *2 + 2 = 5* > ** > *again, your machine must from knowledge of standard maths be able to > produce non-standard maths. (And for the benefit of “same old, same old” > Matt, that does not mean googling an existing 2+2=5 “proof” – you have to > generate/understand an altogether new one).* > ** > *Or, you must be able to show how* > ** > *2 rocks + 2 rocks = 4 rocks.* > ** > *You must be able to show how having knowledge of how two rocks are laid, > you can lay another two rocks on top of them. Laying rock walls is not a > math operation like laying brick walls – each rock is individually formed > and needs to be laid individually.* > ** > *(Or your system must just be able to recognize/conceptualise ROCK, since > all rock forms are individual and non-standard).* > ** > *In all of these cases, you combine two objects to produce a third object > that has never, to your knowledge, been derived from them before.* > ** > *You do “magic” – you put a rabbit in an empty hat and pull out a bird. > You put a penis in a vagina and pull out a baby (“where did that come > from?”)* > ** > *It’s a waste of time to even ask Jim to produce an O.D., but anyone > serious about AGI will want to produce an O.D. with an E.M. -* > ** > *an explanation of a BALL BOX.* > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
