Steve: I have asked this group several times that we hold a reverse Turing test contest, to see how an AGI might handle the real-world challenges that you and others think an AGI might be able to handle. So far, NO ONE PERSON (besides me) has shown any interest.
F..k off Steve - I've been setting problems here for years. You have never discussed a single AGI problem e.g. *build a rock wall *clear a new room *walk/travel through a new room/street et al basic true AGI problems of real world navigation, manipulation, construction. not to mention various related problems of perception/conceptualisations. These problems - l CREATIVE PROBLEMS - all of the form - *compose a new patchwork (vs pattern)* can be generalized to embrace ALL agi/creative problems. Maths and logic cannot deal with any of these problems. I just challenged you to explain how maths can deal with irregular forms, e.g. rocks - and by extension solve the AGI problem of building a rock wall. Not a peep from you Parsing algos have got sweet fa to do with AGI. Possibly wonderful narrow AI, but nothing to do with AGI. And Todor is part of the way there inasmuch as once an agent can solve one AGI/creative problem, then it is equipped - in time and with sufficient info. - to solve ANY AGI problem. The basic method of creativity, which is the OPPOSITE of algos/maths/logic, is a universal/general problem solver - in complete opposition to algos which are only hyperspecialist problemsolvers. (Yes, Todor's "superhuman" conclusions are pure fantasy). On 14 October 2013 09:50, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: > Tudor, > > Yours is a religious statement - that AGIs, whatever they turn out to be, > can do anything and everything perfectly - i.e. build-your-own-God. > > I am starting a little more real-world, looking at what is possible in the > world we have, and with the economy we have. Your AGI/GOD will either have > to live within the same constraints, or it will need to be given nuclear > weapons as in *Colossus, The Forbin Project* to FORCE civilization to do > things its way. > > I have asked this group several times that we hold a reverse Turing test > contest, to see how an AGI might handle the real-world challenges that you > and others think an AGI might be able to handle. So far, NO ONE PERSON > (besides me) has shown any interest. ANYONE who had ANY real interest in > building a workable AGI would start out with simulations, to see where the > challenges were. > > Until I see SOME evidence of an interest in seriously analyzing the > problems that an AGI would be faced with, I am dismissing such postings as > the rantings of sophomoric religious freakos. > > BTW, it is my belief that 99% of what people expect of AGIs is within the > reach of human skills. The REAL challenges are timidity, conformity, greed, > etc., and NOT intelligence. > > Steve > ================ > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Todor Arnaudov <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> From: >> http://www.designweek.co.uk/news/james-dyson-award-2013-international-shortlist-announced/3037334.article >> >> "....Asked simply to ‘design something that solves a problem’, design >> students and recent graduates are competing for a £30,000 international >> winners prize that will also see £10,000 go to their institution. Regional >> winners have already been identified......" >> >> That's too easy, the true AGI, or Self Improving General Intelligence, or >> Versatile Limitless Self Improver is towards something more ambitious: >> >> >> *Something that solves *ALL* problems and that will *be capable to >> design* and complete them if given the physical resources, and also any >> other conceivable projects, and will allow human designers, artists, >> engineers - anyone - to boost their creativity and productivity to super >> human levels.* >> >> >> -- >> ===* Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov ===* >> * >> .... Twenkid Research:* http://research.twenkid.com >> >> .... *Author of the world's first University courses in AGI (2010, 2011) >> *: >> http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2010/04/universal-artificial-intelligence.html >> >> *.... Todor Arnaudov's Researches Blog**: * >> http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com >> * >> * >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six > hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full > employment. > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
