Hi Steve, That was a concise functional statement that emphasizes the generality/versatility point and that the problem we are solving is much different, it could do anything that humans could, or in particular - what I myself do understand and practise, as a universal artist and polymath.
I can be very specific in details of workable and simple AGI applications, for example I have a prototype/project that's related to the DARPA funded "CALO", mine is supposed to be more general and versatile, as I myself need it for various kinds of intellectual and cognitive activities, so it's exactly about designing, developing and creating anything, the first seeds were conceived back in 2007. >ANYONE who had ANY real interest in building a workable AGI would start out with simulations, to see where >the challenges were. How else one could start??? This is the default way, there's actually no other way to do it, the design of the AGI includes constant simulations - it is a simulation, as well as its education, development etc., you don't breed it in the body of The Terminator or Skynet. However you couldn't really see how exactly it will affect humans and more specifically the humanity, it would be always only guesses, because there are so many agents and armies and forces that could do anything. The general challenges, I agree, are in humans, for example the fact that Economy will have to change, but the ones who are now rich and powerful may be unlikely to agree, or also that the machine will show that humans are not that smart, and humans won't like the machines, I'm afraid that there could be a situation like in the "Planet of the Apes" (the original one), where we will be the apes... :) We might be stronger and rule the AGI and use it only as a slave, make her a "lobotomy" etc., and in that case the humans will be the morally inferior entities - that's also a point to be considered, because humans inclinations toward slavery are since the beginning of time, and the romantic Asimov's "laws of Robotics" are also about slavery and breeding "smart dogs". As of the philosophical questions, I've been investigating them theoretically since so long back in time, especially relative to my age, I wrote a novel about that when I was 18, I've written too much about it already and generally it seems exhausted - however you're right that you rarely may find someone appropriate to discuss on. This essay for example was answering questions from Oxford University about AGI, for example: *Monday, February 20, 2012 Philosophical and Interdisciplinary Discussion on General Intelligence, AGI and Superintelligence Safety and Human Moral | Cognitive Origins of the Concepts of Human Soul and its Immortality | Free Will and How it Originates Cognitively | Animate Being and Soul and the Cognitive Reason for the Believe that "Thinking Machines can't have a Soul and Consciousness" | Technology Making us more Humane | The Egoism of Humanity | And more* http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2012/02/philosophical-and-interdisciplinary.html Or this novel (but it's in Bulgarian: http://eim.twenkid.com/old/3/26/istinata11.htm One of the questions: "Oxford: Self-modifying systems: What can be proved about the performance and capabilities of different kinds of recursively self-modifying programs? Can a framework be developed in which demonstrably safe, recursively self-improving AIs could be constructed, with stable and human-friendly goal systems? " In fact humans are the "bad guys", they are PROVEN killers and maniacs, they are proven to have as leaders people who are not the more intelligent - usually the most intelligent people are not aggressive, at least not physically aggressive. Humans have done all the killing, they are greedy, they destroy, and yes, they do not because of their intelligence, but because of their LACK of intelligence, and because of their primitive brain areas, their fears, lust, dopamine-short cuts, their difficulties in communicating etc. nonsenses. --- How could one ensure the safety of humans and human intelligence? How could one control humans and did we succeed in the history of humanity to prevent wars or genocides? It started to become possible to apply some control after there were appropriate technologies. Real, "natural" humans are beasts, technologies make humans to be the humans in their own image about themselves. Steve> BTW, it is my belief that 99% of what people expect of AGIs is within the reach of human skills. The REAL challenges are timidity, conformity, greed, etc., and NOT intelligence. It woyld be within the reach of *humanity* skills - of the best of the humans, picked one-by-one - with all the technology developed, but human individuals often "seize" merits which do not belong to them. What one ingenious theoretical physicist or mathematician could see from the data is not what "a human can do", it's what an ingenious human, who has talents appropriate for this field, could do. As of those behavioral issues: *they are issues of the humans, the problem is with the greedy, violent,* *frightened, suffering pains humans, especially the ones who have powers and control weapons etc., who may want to use AGI for destruction. * Something that I try to defend in the essay: You don't need a universal thinking machine in order to destroy and kill. The big humanoid terminators T-600 in the movie for example are nonsense. It doesn't have to look like a human at all, and it could use much more deadly and effective weapons than using two hands to hold a gun, aiming visually, shooting etc. British ship guns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwZ3a_Kie8w&feature=player_detailpage#t=72 Russian ship guns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOlVcRns5dQ I remember a radio interview in 2001, regarding the decoding of human DNA and that the information was published on the Internet. A journalist has asked a scientist: - Wasn't that too dangerous, terrorist could develop new dangerous chemical weapons? The scientists answered, smiling ~ : - No, it's unlikely, there are enough natural toxins which are easy to collect... Why dealing with genomics etc. Another memory in this context. According to a show on some educational channel, after the end of WWII there was a conspiracy to poison the water of the cities in Germany, as a revenge to the Germans. They has been aiming to kill 6 millions of Germans, and they could have done it. Hopefully a wise man who they trusted asked them: will that return the dead ones back? So you should be afraid of humans, as Seneka has said ~ even the lowest slave could take away your life. A maniac could stab you in the back, a drunk driver could hit you on the road, etc., but the people are rather afraid of Asteroids hitting the Earth, "The end of the world" etc. bullshit. The human values, as elaborated more in the essay, are possible to be applied de facto only with the assistance of technology and eventually thinking machines. Humans without sophisticated technology and societies to provide enough food and other supplies and developed culture that suppress the real human nature, are proven beasts who want to rule and kill each other. We divide in groups and start wars, from the gangs at school bullying the weaker ones, to the military forces and world wars. By the way, guys, do you realize that even the "Terminator II" movie is about how bad the humans are, but people don't get it, even though it's told even literally in the conclusion. Terminator II is about HUMANS being assholes and a machine that learns the value of human life and tries to save humans for themselves and it "self-terminates" to protect them. As even the ultimate thinking machines hater, who lost her beloved one by a thinking machine and whose son and herself was about to be killed by a thinking machine concludes, after becoming emotionally attached to the "killing machine": *"Because if a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too."* In the setting of the movie and the reality: humans had Cold War and USA vs USSR and Nuclear weapons facing each other, humans were and are military maniacs due to their fears, greed and miscommunication. The ones who are afraid of the thinking machines should actually be more afraid of the crazy politicians and crazy generals around the world, the number of countries with nuclear weapons is steadily growing, and the ones who own such weapons are increasingly dangerous. ===* Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov ===* * .... Twenkid Research:* http://research.twenkid.com .... *Author of the world's first University courses in AGI (2010, 2011)*: http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2010/04/universal-artificial-intelligence.html *.... Todor Arnaudov's Researches Blog**: * http://artificial-mind.blogspot.co <http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Todor Arnaudov <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: > http://www.designweek.co.uk/news/james-dyson-award-2013-international-shortlist-announced/3037334.article > > "....Asked simply to ‘design something that solves a problem’, design > students and recent graduates are competing for a £30,000 international > winners prize that will also see £10,000 go to their institution. Regional > winners have already been identified......" > > That's too easy, the true AGI, or Self Improving General Intelligence, or > Versatile Limitless Self Improver is towards something more ambitious: > > > *Something that solves *ALL* problems and that will *be capable to > design* and complete them if given the physical resources, and also any > other conceivable projects, and will allow human designers, artists, > engineers - anyone - to boost their creativity and productivity to super > human levels.* > > > > -- > ===* Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov ===* > * > .... Twenkid Research:* http://research.twenkid.com > > .... *Author of the world's first University courses in AGI (2010, 2011)* > : > http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2010/04/universal-artificial-intelligence.html > > *.... Todor Arnaudov's Researches Blog**: * > http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com > * > * > -- ===* Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov ===* * .... Twenkid Research:* http://research.twenkid.com .... *Author of the world's first University courses in AGI (2010, 2011)*: http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2010/04/universal-artificial-intelligence.html *.... Todor Arnaudov's Researches Blog**: * http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com * and an * ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
