Jim, On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 3:20 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Steve, > Oh, ok. I did not think that you were talking about non-programming > projects. > Yea, a reverse Turing test competition would be soooo simple - and could be done on a forum like this. We would form small teams to tackle world-stumping problems that are broadcast by a master. > > What was the frequency halving problem thing about? > ALL hearing aids now simply amplify - thereby damaging what little is left of people's hearing and not improving things all that much. Mapping sounds from high frequencies down onto what is left of people's hearing would go a LONG way to making their hearing work like normal. These wouldn't even have to be worn - they could be little boxes that people might wear, or put on a table, etc. Why is that a problem? > Turning a fast wave into a slower wave that contains the same frequency components cut in half is NOT simple - until you see the trick. Are you saying that FFT cannot be used to do it in real time > Yes. People need the phase information preserved, in order to spatially separate different sounds. or are you saying that FFT is only an approximation? > First you would have to do an FFT, then you would have to generate a signal that represents half the frequency content. Of course, by the time you have the data to do an FFT, it is already too late to make the sounds and still preserve the spatial information. > Can you tell me anything about your solution? > Not yet - unless you would like to sign an NDA. Steve ======================= > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:46 AM, Steve Richfield < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Jim, >> >> I see we have some confusion over "simulation". >> >> The simulation I was proposing was people attempting to act like an AGI. >> Not a line of code would have to be written. This could be organized in >> hours and executed (by people) immediately thereafter. >> >> The simulation you proposed was code that would have to be designed, >> written, etc., before it could be used to evaluate anything. When you get >> it working, it will doubtless be interesting to examine. Until then, all we >> can do is wish you luck. >> >> I suspect that if you get groups of really intelligent people proposing >> BOLD ways of tackling the world's problems, that it will become obvious >> that we can fix them NOW, without waiting for AGI development. >> >> Of course I could be wrong, but either way the competition would be >> interesting and fun, and probably tell us a LOT about what a >> super-intelligent entity might do. >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:39 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Steve said, >>> I have asked this group several times that we hold a reverse Turing >>> test contest, to see how an AGI might handle the real-world challenges >>> that you and others think an AGI might be able to handle. So far, NO >>> ONE PERSON (besides me) has shown any interest. ANYONE who had ANY >>> real interest in building a workable AGI would start out with >>> simulations, to see where the challenges were. >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> I just described a possible text-based AGI simulator in my "Artificial >>> Referential Marker Language" post and I pointed out that if I could >>> get it to work with text then it could be used with other IO >>> modalities as well. You must have read it since you made your remark >>> about simulations after I posted my thoughts. Does this mean that you >>> don't think that I am a person? I think I mentioned that ideas about >>> using a formalized language have been tried in the past but my idea >>> was a little different. I have never found that people become more >>> interested when I annotate my own post with a reply, but I will try >>> again anyway. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:50 AM, Steve Richfield >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Tudor, >>> > >>> > Yours is a religious statement - that AGIs, whatever they turn out to >>> be, >>> > can do anything and everything perfectly - i.e. build-your-own-God. >>> > >>> > I am starting a little more real-world, looking at what is possible in >>> the >>> > world we have, and with the economy we have. Your AGI/GOD will either >>> have >>> > to live within the same constraints, or it will need to be given >>> nuclear >>> > weapons as in Colossus, The Forbin Project to FORCE civilization to do >>> > things its way. >>> > >>> > I have asked this group several times that we hold a reverse Turing >>> test >>> > contest, to see how an AGI might handle the real-world challenges that >>> you >>> > and others think an AGI might be able to handle. So far, NO ONE PERSON >>> > (besides me) has shown any interest. ANYONE who had ANY real interest >>> in >>> > building a workable AGI would start out with simulations, to see where >>> the >>> > challenges were. >>> > >>> > Until I see SOME evidence of an interest in seriously analyzing the >>> problems >>> > that an AGI would be faced with, I am dismissing such postings as the >>> > rantings of sophomoric religious freakos. >>> > >>> > BTW, it is my belief that 99% of what people expect of AGIs is within >>> the >>> > reach of human skills. The REAL challenges are timidity, conformity, >>> greed, >>> > etc., and NOT intelligence. >>> > >>> > Steve >>> > ================ >>> > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Todor Arnaudov <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> From: >>> >> >>> http://www.designweek.co.uk/news/james-dyson-award-2013-international-shortlist-announced/3037334.article >>> >> >>> >> "....Asked simply to ‘design something that solves a problem’, design >>> >> students and recent graduates are competing for a £30,000 >>> international >>> >> winners prize that will also see £10,000 go to their institution. >>> Regional >>> >> winners have already been identified......" >>> >> >>> >> That's too easy, the true AGI, or Self Improving General >>> Intelligence, or >>> >> Versatile Limitless Self Improver is towards something more ambitious: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Something that solves *ALL* problems and that will *be capable to >>> design* >>> >> and complete them if given the physical resources, and also any other >>> >> conceivable projects, and will allow human designers, artists, >>> engineers - >>> >> anyone - to boost their creativity and productivity to super human >>> levels. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> === Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov === >>> >> >>> >> .... Twenkid Research: http://research.twenkid.com >>> >> >>> >> .... Author of the world's first University courses in AGI (2010, >>> 2011): >>> >> >>> http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2010/04/universal-artificial-intelligence.html >>> >> >>> >> .... Todor Arnaudov's Researches Blog: >>> http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com >>> >> >>> >> AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a >>> six >>> > hour workday. 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