One of the challenges in trying to work wit AGI is to be able to detect hype. Every time I read the news I am left half-convinced that strong AI has been solved. Statements like:
"at the forefront of building the first truly intelligent machines." I mean, look, solving a the captcha problem is an impressive achievement. But then you could ask, what is a capcha? What does that have to do with security? Is security a one thing like a moon or a many thing like a set of chairs? Is there a motive for this? What is the potential for captcha used in other ways? If you fail the test is that an effect or a cause? What's the difference between cause and effect? ..... and so on. What I need is some kind of browser add on to de-type my news. On 10/28/13, Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> wrote: > Regardless of how well it actually works, I expect that we will see better > versions in the future. > > And I agree that modeling the retina and visual cortex is the right way to > do this. > > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, tintner michael > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/captcha-busted/ >> >> [Vicarious are Dileep George, Hawkin's ex-man, no?] >> >> CAPTCHA creator Luis van Ahn, a computer scientist at Carnegie Mellon >> University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, is not convinced. He sent >> ScienceNOW this defiant message: >> >> "This is the 50th time somebody claims this. I don’t really get how they >> think this is news :) >> >> If their program is actually a break, we can simply add more distortion >> or >> switch to image-based CAPTCHAs." >> >> And the prog. does indeed fail its first tests. >> >> P.S. >> "Breaking CAPTCHA wasn’t the goal, says Phoenix. “It was just a sanity >> check. We believe that higher level intelligences are all built on the >> somatosensory system. So that’s why we started with vision.” The company >> plans to hook up this visual system to robots. The benchmark then will >> be, >> for example, “Preparing a meal in an arbitrary kitchen.” >> >> The GO TO THE KITCHEN Woz Test meme is catching. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 28 October 2013 14:02, tintner michael >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2303350/google-updates-recaptcha-tool-to-beat-the-spambots >>> >>> >>> On 28 October 2013 10:44, tintner michael >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> I should add that I agree to some extent with the conclusion: >>>> >>>> "We should be careful not to underestimate the significance of >>>> Vicarious >>>> crossing this milestone," adding that the company is "at the forefront >>>> of >>>> building the first truly intelligent machines." >>>> >>>> The ability to solve the problem Hofstadter identified - of recognizing >>>>> endlessly diversifying A fonts (the essence of the CAPTCHA problem) - >>>>> would constitute a major and first breakthrough towards AGI. >>>> >>>> >>>> I will put my arse on the line, and say no algo will ever do this. A >>>> different, new computational approach is required >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 October 2013 10:27, tintner michael >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/28/captcha-defeated-by-computer-software_n_4168784.html >>>>> >>>>> [I bet it *doesn't* work remotely that well - >>>>> >>>>> Vicarious said its algorithm achieves success rates of 90 to 97 >>>>> percent >>>>> ] >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/3701026-786a0853> | >> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
