whoops! last sentence is "de-hype" not "de-type" (that would be a ProblEM!)
On 10/29/13, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: > One of the challenges in trying to work wit AGI is to be able to > detect hype. Every time I read the news I am left half-convinced that > strong AI has been solved. Statements like: > > "at the forefront of building the first truly intelligent machines." > > I mean, look, solving a the captcha problem is an impressive > achievement. But then you could ask, what is a capcha? What does > that have to do with security? Is security a one thing like a moon or > a many thing like a set of chairs? Is there a motive for this? What > is the potential for captcha used in other ways? If you fail the test > is that an effect or a cause? What's the difference between cause and > effect? ..... and so on. > > What I need is some kind of browser add on to de-type my news. > > On 10/28/13, Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> wrote: >> Regardless of how well it actually works, I expect that we will see >> better >> versions in the future. >> >> And I agree that modeling the retina and visual cortex is the right way >> to >> do this. >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:08 PM, tintner michael >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/captcha-busted/ >>> >>> [Vicarious are Dileep George, Hawkin's ex-man, no?] >>> >>> CAPTCHA creator Luis van Ahn, a computer scientist at Carnegie Mellon >>> University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, is not convinced. He sent >>> ScienceNOW this defiant message: >>> >>> "This is the 50th time somebody claims this. I don’t really get how they >>> think this is news :) >>> >>> If their program is actually a break, we can simply add more distortion >>> or >>> switch to image-based CAPTCHAs." >>> >>> And the prog. does indeed fail its first tests. >>> >>> P.S. >>> "Breaking CAPTCHA wasn’t the goal, says Phoenix. “It was just a sanity >>> check. We believe that higher level intelligences are all built on the >>> somatosensory system. So that’s why we started with vision.” The company >>> plans to hook up this visual system to robots. The benchmark then will >>> be, >>> for example, “Preparing a meal in an arbitrary kitchen.” >>> >>> The GO TO THE KITCHEN Woz Test meme is catching. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 28 October 2013 14:02, tintner michael >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2303350/google-updates-recaptcha-tool-to-beat-the-spambots >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 October 2013 10:44, tintner michael >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I should add that I agree to some extent with the conclusion: >>>>> >>>>> "We should be careful not to underestimate the significance of >>>>> Vicarious >>>>> crossing this milestone," adding that the company is "at the forefront >>>>> of >>>>> building the first truly intelligent machines." >>>>> >>>>> The ability to solve the problem Hofstadter identified - of >>>>> recognizing >>>>>> endlessly diversifying A fonts (the essence of the CAPTCHA problem) >>>>>> - >>>>>> would constitute a major and first breakthrough towards AGI. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I will put my arse on the line, and say no algo will ever do this. A >>>>> different, new computational approach is required >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 28 October 2013 10:27, tintner michael >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/28/captcha-defeated-by-computer-software_n_4168784.html >>>>>> >>>>>> [I bet it *doesn't* work remotely that well - >>>>>> >>>>>> Vicarious said its algorithm achieves success rates of 90 to 97 >>>>>> percent >>>>>> ] >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/3701026-786a0853> | >>> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
