"I'm not sure I'd drop so many f-bombs" That's because you're not black or kool like me ;).
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sergio Donal <[email protected]> wrote: > I also read it several years ago and do not remember pretty much either, > but the thought that comes to my mind is that he was speaking that we are > basically predicting the environment, either spatially, temporally or any > other feature. So prediction is a form of "completion the scene" and there > is where creativity comes up, we predict the current scene based in our > past observations (and completions) but since the scene may be new, we are > applying past experience to solve new problems. Or something like that... > > Now I realize, doesn't this sound kind of Bayesian? > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I'm not sure I'd drop so many f-bombs, but I had the feeling he's got >> a good compression/pattern match overall command scheme, and not >> math-heavy to boot, but not sure if he's got the ability to solve >> general problems. In other words, what is the processing structure >> for solving problems? I've read On Intelligence, 10 years ago, but >> have at present only a superficial understanding of his approach. >> >> On 4/3/14, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: >> > He doesn't have is a fully temporal semantic database structure with a >> > generative normalization pattern matcher/vectorized scale free >> calculation >> > minimizer... I.e. the G in AGI. In other words, he's missing the minimal >> > concept basis for processing that has an optimal scalability while >> > minimizing complexity, without that it's a crap shoot if someone will >> ever >> > succeed in making a better than human level AGI that isn't just brute >> > forcing human intelligence by putting too much human knowledge in a >> system >> > and claiming it is better than human level intelligence while it is >> > actually less than human level due to a complete lack of creativity. >> > >> > Even worse, the deepest problem that nobody ever thinks about is the >> > knowledge representation system... they all have static/fragile designs, >> > Hawkins' products are really bad even in the sorta neural-net form he >> has >> > is fucking self-crippling in the number of associations that can be >> built >> > up. I've never seen a fucking neural-network capable of self-reflection >> and >> > differentiation, among many other conceptual paradoxical forms humans >> have >> > no problems thinking about.. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Long article, but interesting. It sounds like he's built the input >> >> but not the output, the motor control. I don't think there is any >> >> convincing argument about what paradigms to use for strong AI / AGI >> >> since there isn't a working such thing yet. Some math-first >> >> approaches seem like they want to lose you with the formula, otherwise >> >> I like math.... >> >> >> >> On 4/3/14, John Rose <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > You don't have enough math here. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > People are now looking more at the mathematical formalisms of >> software >> >> > systems. There are so many and of such variety. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hawkins has one approach not the only approach. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > He's hardcoding the components mimicked from biological intelligence. >> >> > Are >> >> > there more efficient and easier to build components and are there >> >> > components >> >> > that morph? His don't morph. It looks to me like hardcoded AI BUT I >> >> haven't >> >> > studied the system. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > John >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > From: Azn A [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/29/hawkins_ai_feature >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "These are complex biological systems that were not designed by >> >> > mathematical >> >> > principles [that are] very difficult to formalize completely," he >> told >> >> us. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "This reminds me a bit of the beginning of the computer era," he >> said. >> >> "If >> >> > you go back to the 1930s and early 1940s, when people first started >> >> > thinking >> >> > about computers they were really interested in whether an algorithm >> >> > would >> >> > complete, and they were looking for mathematical completeness, a >> >> > mathematical proof. If you today build a computer, no one sits around >> >> > saying >> >> > 'let's look at the mathematical formalism of this computer.' It >> reminds >> >> me >> >> > a >> >> > little about that. 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