Pm, according to this 23andMe ancestry composition. I'm 57% African, 19% Ashkenazi, 18% Persian and 5% Native American. In other words, I'm kool, smart and sexy. Just think of a younger, smarter version of Barack Obama :)
I don't think AGI is impossible. Ben G has some good Ideas. So do a lot of people. But they are missing pieces here and there. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]>wrote: > @ [the big] Azzzz, > > You're not Black. > > #1- Black people use capital B's to describe themselves; > #2 - they prefer to use the words "African" or "African-American" to > Black; > #3 - they don't define themselves by their ability to use expletives; > and finally > #4 - they know that spelling cool with a k isn't. > > So I'd appreciate you being yourself, and being real. > > You're reminding me a lot of Mike Tintner--only he said AGI couldn't be > done because > it is impossible, no one will ever know how. Now you're saying AGI can't > be done > because other people currently don't know how, but you do. > > Omoshiroi... > > ~PM > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 01:10:46 -0700 > Subject: Re: [AGI] Jeff Hawkins says 2014 is the year ! > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > "I'm not sure I'd drop so many f-bombs" > > That's because you're not black or kool like me ;). > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Sergio Donal <[email protected]> wrote: > > I also read it several years ago and do not remember pretty much either, > but the thought that comes to my mind is that he was speaking that we are > basically predicting the environment, either spatially, temporally or any > other feature. So prediction is a form of "completion the scene" and there > is where creativity comes up, we predict the current scene based in our > past observations (and completions) but since the scene may be new, we are > applying past experience to solve new problems. Or something like that... > > Now I realize, doesn't this sound kind of Bayesian? > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]>wrote: > > I'm not sure I'd drop so many f-bombs, but I had the feeling he's got > a good compression/pattern match overall command scheme, and not > math-heavy to boot, but not sure if he's got the ability to solve > general problems. In other words, what is the processing structure > for solving problems? I've read On Intelligence, 10 years ago, but > have at present only a superficial understanding of his approach. > > On 4/3/14, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > > He doesn't have is a fully temporal semantic database structure with a > > generative normalization pattern matcher/vectorized scale free > calculation > > minimizer... I.e. the G in AGI. In other words, he's missing the minimal > > concept basis for processing that has an optimal scalability while > > minimizing complexity, without that it's a crap shoot if someone will > ever > > succeed in making a better than human level AGI that isn't just brute > > forcing human intelligence by putting too much human knowledge in a > system > > and claiming it is better than human level intelligence while it is > > actually less than human level due to a complete lack of creativity. > > > > Even worse, the deepest problem that nobody ever thinks about is the > > knowledge representation system... they all have static/fragile designs, > > Hawkins' products are really bad even in the sorta neural-net form he has > > is fucking self-crippling in the number of associations that can be built > > up. I've never seen a fucking neural-network capable of self-reflection > and > > differentiation, among many other conceptual paradoxical forms humans > have > > no problems thinking about.. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Long article, but interesting. It sounds like he's built the input > >> but not the output, the motor control. I don't think there is any > >> convincing argument about what paradigms to use for strong AI / AGI > >> since there isn't a working such thing yet. Some math-first > >> approaches seem like they want to lose you with the formula, otherwise > >> I like math.... > >> > >> On 4/3/14, John Rose <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > You don't have enough math here. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > People are now looking more at the mathematical formalisms of software > >> > systems. There are so many and of such variety. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hawkins has one approach not the only approach. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > He's hardcoding the components mimicked from biological intelligence. > >> > Are > >> > there more efficient and easier to build components and are there > >> > components > >> > that morph? His don't morph. It looks to me like hardcoded AI BUT I > >> haven't > >> > studied the system. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > John > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > From: Azn A [mailto:[email protected]] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/29/hawkins_ai_feature > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "These are complex biological systems that were not designed by > >> > mathematical > >> > principles [that are] very difficult to formalize completely," he told > >> us. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "This reminds me a bit of the beginning of the computer era," he said. > >> "If > >> > you go back to the 1930s and early 1940s, when people first started > >> > thinking > >> > about computers they were really interested in whether an algorithm > >> > would > >> > complete, and they were looking for mathematical completeness, a > >> > mathematical proof. If you today build a computer, no one sits around > >> > saying > >> > 'let's look at the mathematical formalism of this computer.' It > reminds > >> me > >> > a > >> > little about that. 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