Step #2. Define your structure in terms of logical relations. ~PM Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 10:34:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [agi] Structural Knoweldge From: [email protected] To: [email protected]
The traditional model of computation (the essence of the traditional models) is that you program the formulas and then input the values. This view can be held as sound because the computational models include formulas to compute given values. (The input-output triplets, for example, do not have to be added as precompiled tables. Simple computation is truly formulaic.) With mathematics and programming you can begin tinkering around with the computational methods so you might see those kinds of features added as implementations through meta-formulas. In narrow AI (for instance) these meta-formulas may be defined as something that is just new programmer-defined formulas. With AGI you need to deal with referential values which can themselves be used as formula-like systems (and meta-formulas and so on.) To truly embark on a referential model your programming is going to have to be able to deal with unexpected situations and your program is going to have to be able to create 'programs' of some kind. I plan to use something that is constrained to be "safe" so the program won't crash. But, the thing is, that you cannot predefine how these programs and meta-formulas will behave. So I plan to build parts that the program can combine. When I realize that these parts or scripts are too limiting I will add more. But the thing is that the program has to be able to build these conceptual scripts. So in a way, many formulas and program methods are well defined and if you consider these as semi-structural then there is a great deal of information about how structural methods work. (I realize that the term structure is a little different when referring to structuralism in philosophy.) But the problem in AGI programming is getting computers to learn how to build these programs from simple components and to implement them well. My use of the term structure is to emphasize three things. 1. Concepts play different roles when interacting with other concepts. 2. Knowledge is acquired incrementally. 3. But because ideas can play different kinds of roles there are moments when leaps of insight can take place because a new insight can be fitted into preexisting knowledge in a way so that it holds all together and explains how that knowledge can be implemented in ways that the program did not 'understand' before. Jim Bromer On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: This is all fine, but what science is there of structure as structure? I've been trying to sort this out recently. There are various versions of structuralism; I think one aligned more to science and one aligned more to the humanities. Gestalt psychology. System dynamics / complex systems comes to mind. What else? It's one thing to say "the structure is such and such, and I have these relations which are invariant." But, it is another thing to be able to perform computations on the model which would approach general intelligence. On 4/17/14, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> wrote: > Great minds think alike. > I agree, in fact I have three categories: > 1. Structural, 2. Structural Content, and3. Content. > Once you've identified your structural relations, if you're going to > properly bootstrap this baby, then you next need to solve the Semantic > Kernel problem: i.e., what content relations are the core relations to > include. > ~PM > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:31:38 -0400 > Subject: [agi] Structural Knoweldge > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > There is a lot of evidence that humans, like other animals, learn > incrementally. However, my belief is that because we use ideas in different > ways a new idea can interact with other ideas. There are moments when > something that is learned incrementally can be leveraged to produce leaps of > insight. I call this knowledge structural because it means that an idea can > suddenly provide some greater structure to knowledge related to a particular > subject. The new increment of knowledge that triggers the structural insight > may or may not be the key that provides the leverage of the structure. It > may be that some new piece of knowledge just helps to crystalize some > structure in a way that helps the learner to better utilize other > knowledge. > > In programming and computational mathematics we find distinctions between > things like operators and operands and you have to be able to find > distinctions between other different parts of a computation if you want to > use mathematics creatively. However, I think it is obvious that the > situation is more dynamic and more fluid in thought. Some information may > play some role based on some other information so that it can react with > some other information and we just cannot categorize how some piece of > information might be used before hand. An AGI program has to be able to > find how information can work together to create greater structures of > knowledge. But for this to happen, the program has to be designed to provide > the structure that will ensure that the potential to build learned > structures is there. > Jim Bromer > > > > > > > > AGI | Archives > > | Modify > Your Subscription > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-f5817f28 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
