Its alive..... On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> wrote:
> +===================================+ > | New Account Info | > +===================================+ > | Domain: instituteofgeneralintelligence.tk > | Ip: 192.185.121.233 (n) > | HasCgi: y > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I'm not a web developer as such. But I can set up Wordpress and a forum >> if you like. >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:06 PM, colin hales <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Excellent.. It'll do for now.. Am not a web dev guy. Plant a flag and >>> let it sit. Someone will have to own its development for a bit. While some >>> proposed content takes shape. It doesn't have to be pretty! >>> >>> Time zone issues here. Gotta go. >>> >>> Regards >>> Colin >>> ------------------------------ >>> From: Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>> Sent: 20/05/2015 11:47 AM >>> To: AGI <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI) >>> >>> I registered a free domain name >>> INSTITUTEOFGENERALINTELLIGENCE.TK >>> >>> it is pointing to Mark's name servers. Who wants to create a hello >>> world web page so we can test it? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I put in a backorder and found out igi.org t was gone afterwards. Doh. >>>> Does the predation have to start so soon? There's always a shark. >>>> OK. I'll ask. May take a while. >>>> Dorian... It's your name. Have you any alternatives if this shark turns >>>> out to be too hungry? >>>> Leave it there for the moment.a >>>> :-) >>>> colin >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The domain name owner can be contacted at the e-mail address >>>>> [email protected]. Ask him how much he wants for the domain. >>>>> >>>>> We can always just grab a free domain name and change later once the >>>>> organization gets going. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I didn't buy igi.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The igi.org domain no longer seems to be offering its self for sale >>>>>>> when I visit it. Did someone buy it already? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Logan, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Logan Streondj <[email protected] >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 09:48:03AM +1000, colin hales wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Sorry about the previous empty. Phone issue. 10 thumbs. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > My particular flavour of the non-computer approach is >>>>>>>>> irrelevant. I am not pushing my own at all. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Robot $ and kind irrelevant. I have the math you speak of. Wrong >>>>>>>>> on both counts. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I do not care what kind of NC-AGI arises. All I know is that >>>>>>>>> NC-AGI important, neglected and needs a champion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> okay so obviously you are the champion. >>>>>>>>> Why is it important? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Because it's never been done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you guys have been talking about it for a week now, >>>>>>>>> and I still have no idea why you think it has value. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> like lets be honest here, anything that isn't a computer or >>>>>>>>> technology is biology. so what you are really talking about >>>>>>>>> (seems to me) is biological-AGI, or connecting a vat of >>>>>>>>> brain-cells to a computer. >>>>>>>>> this has been done, and can play simple video games. >>>>>>>>> but so can deep neuronets on computers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No it is not necessarily biology. H-AGI can use biological material >>>>>>>> or make inorganic versions of the biological substrate. Mine is totally >>>>>>>> inorganic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And while hooking bio material to other hardware has been done, it >>>>>>>> has not been done by anyone headed in the direction of an AGI. Pure wet >>>>>>>> neuroscience? Yes. Machine learning? Yes. Robot control? Yes. This >>>>>>>> particular approach is not what I intend. Dorian may be more >>>>>>>> interested in >>>>>>>> that. I don't want to stop anyone doing any of it just because it >>>>>>>> clashes >>>>>>>> with my own vision of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > So please set anything you think you know about me or my >>>>>>>>> approach aside. You actually know almost nothing and what little that >>>>>>>>> is is >>>>>>>>> irrelevant to what is happening in this thread. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> okay so do you have some kind of proprietary secret approach? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was thinking you can Dorian can sign an NDA and then no one >>>>>>>>> will ever know about anything you guys do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> personally I think that there are a lot of potential ethical >>>>>>>>> issues with using biological mediums for computation, also they >>>>>>>>> aren't particularly scalable or portable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can see scalability. I can see portability. I can see >>>>>>>> generativity. It will be clunky at first like all new ideas. It has an >>>>>>>> organic and an inorganic aspect. All untried as H-AGI. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Both Dorian and I have written up and published everything that is >>>>>>>> needed to get your head round the fundamentals, which I know can be >>>>>>>> hard to >>>>>>>> see for those without the biophysics. We have both argued for a long >>>>>>>> time, >>>>>>>> one way or another, that the approach is novel. The one-liner >>>>>>>> explanation: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *H-AGI is where the brain physics essential to an AGI is identified >>>>>>>> and included in an AGI substrate. This is achieved by actually >>>>>>>> replicating the physics (organic/inorganic, doesn't matter) and >>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>> that physics on the substrate then and testing its performance against >>>>>>>> alternatives that lack that physics (i.e. that might ignore it or >>>>>>>> model it, >>>>>>>> replacing it with the physics of the instantiation of the model, >>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>> that might be).* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So it's rather simple. Both Dorian and I have identified candidate >>>>>>>> 'low-hanging fruit' physics. There may be others. That physics may be >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> crucial missing link that has dogged AGI for decades. If so, then all >>>>>>>> activity that did not include that essential physics was actually >>>>>>>> destined >>>>>>>> to underperform in mysterious ways that it is H-AGIs job to sort out. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> IGI, if it existed, would do that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes there are heaps of ethical issues with any AGI approach. The >>>>>>>> H-AGI inorganic version will have one ethics/risk landscape, the H-AGI >>>>>>>> organic version another. Both of these will contrast with the C-AGI >>>>>>>> risk >>>>>>>> landscape. In what ways? I dunno! Let's find out! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Colin Hales >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *AGI* | Archives >>>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> >>>>>>>> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *AGI* | Archives >>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11721311-20a65d4a> >>>>>>> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> | >>>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11721311-20a65d4a> | >>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>> >>>> >>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> | >>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>> >>> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11721311-20a65d4a> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27079473-66e47b26> | >>> Modify >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> >>> Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Mark Seveland >> > > > > -- > Regards, > Mark Seveland > -- Regards, Mark Seveland ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
