Mark, that's excellent. We will probably need to use a faster way of communication to develop new things once IGI is better shaped. Best, Dorian
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> wrote: > Live chat room at the IGI website. > http://instituteofgeneralintelligence.tk/chat/ > > Its not pretty, but it works. (working on customization) > > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Its alive..... >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> +===================================+ >>> | New Account Info | >>> +===================================+ >>> | Domain: instituteofgeneralintelligence.tk >>> | Ip: 192.185.121.233 (n) >>> | HasCgi: y >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not a web developer as such. But I can set up Wordpress and a >>>> forum if you like. >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:06 PM, colin hales <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Excellent.. It'll do for now.. Am not a web dev guy. Plant a flag and >>>>> let it sit. Someone will have to own its development for a bit. While some >>>>> proposed content takes shape. It doesn't have to be pretty! >>>>> >>>>> Time zone issues here. Gotta go. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Colin >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> From: Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: 20/05/2015 11:47 AM >>>>> To: AGI <[email protected]> >>>>> Subject: Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI) >>>>> >>>>> I registered a free domain name >>>>> INSTITUTEOFGENERALINTELLIGENCE.TK >>>>> >>>>> it is pointing to Mark's name servers. Who wants to create a hello >>>>> world web page so we can test it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I put in a backorder and found out igi.org t was gone >>>>>> afterwards. Doh. >>>>>> Does the predation have to start so soon? There's always a shark. >>>>>> OK. I'll ask. May take a while. >>>>>> Dorian... It's your name. Have you any alternatives if this shark >>>>>> turns out to be too hungry? >>>>>> Leave it there for the moment.a >>>>>> :-) >>>>>> colin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The domain name owner can be contacted at the e-mail address >>>>>>> [email protected]. Ask him how much he wants for the domain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We can always just grab a free domain name and change later once the >>>>>>> organization gets going. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I didn't buy igi.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The igi.org domain no longer seems to be offering its self for >>>>>>>>> sale when I visit it. Did someone buy it already? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Logan, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Logan Streondj < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 09:48:03AM +1000, colin hales wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > Sorry about the previous empty. Phone issue. 10 thumbs. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > My particular flavour of the non-computer approach is >>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant. I am not pushing my own at all. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Robot $ and kind irrelevant. I have the math you speak of. >>>>>>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > I do not care what kind of NC-AGI arises. All I know is that >>>>>>>>>>> NC-AGI important, neglected and needs a champion. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> okay so obviously you are the champion. >>>>>>>>>>> Why is it important? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Because it's never been done. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> you guys have been talking about it for a week now, >>>>>>>>>>> and I still have no idea why you think it has value. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> like lets be honest here, anything that isn't a computer or >>>>>>>>>>> technology is biology. so what you are really talking about >>>>>>>>>>> (seems to me) is biological-AGI, or connecting a vat of >>>>>>>>>>> brain-cells to a computer. >>>>>>>>>>> this has been done, and can play simple video games. >>>>>>>>>>> but so can deep neuronets on computers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No it is not necessarily biology. H-AGI can use biological >>>>>>>>>> material or make inorganic versions of the biological substrate. >>>>>>>>>> Mine is >>>>>>>>>> totally inorganic. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And while hooking bio material to other hardware has been done, >>>>>>>>>> it has not been done by anyone headed in the direction of an AGI. >>>>>>>>>> Pure wet >>>>>>>>>> neuroscience? Yes. Machine learning? Yes. Robot control? Yes. This >>>>>>>>>> particular approach is not what I intend. Dorian may be more >>>>>>>>>> interested in >>>>>>>>>> that. I don't want to stop anyone doing any of it just because it >>>>>>>>>> clashes >>>>>>>>>> with my own vision of it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > So please set anything you think you know about me or my >>>>>>>>>>> approach aside. You actually know almost nothing and what little >>>>>>>>>>> that is is >>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant to what is happening in this thread. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> okay so do you have some kind of proprietary secret approach? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking you can Dorian can sign an NDA and then no one >>>>>>>>>>> will ever know about anything you guys do. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> personally I think that there are a lot of potential ethical >>>>>>>>>>> issues with using biological mediums for computation, also they >>>>>>>>>>> aren't particularly scalable or portable. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I can see scalability. I can see portability. I can see >>>>>>>>>> generativity. It will be clunky at first like all new ideas. It has >>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>> organic and an inorganic aspect. All untried as H-AGI. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Both Dorian and I have written up and published everything that >>>>>>>>>> is needed to get your head round the fundamentals, which I know can >>>>>>>>>> be hard >>>>>>>>>> to see for those without the biophysics. We have both argued for a >>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>> time, one way or another, that the approach is novel. The one-liner >>>>>>>>>> explanation: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *H-AGI is where the brain physics essential to an AGI is >>>>>>>>>> identified and included in an AGI substrate. This is achieved by >>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>> replicating the physics (organic/inorganic, doesn't matter) and >>>>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>>>> that physics on the substrate then and testing its performance >>>>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>>>> alternatives that lack that physics (i.e. that might ignore it or >>>>>>>>>> model it, >>>>>>>>>> replacing it with the physics of the instantiation of the model, >>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>> that might be).* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So it's rather simple. Both Dorian and I have identified >>>>>>>>>> candidate 'low-hanging fruit' physics. There may be others. That >>>>>>>>>> physics >>>>>>>>>> may be the crucial missing link that has dogged AGI for decades. If >>>>>>>>>> so, >>>>>>>>>> then all activity that did not include that essential physics was >>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>> destined to underperform in mysterious ways that it is H-AGIs job to >>>>>>>>>> sort >>>>>>>>>> out. The IGI, if it existed, would do that. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes there are heaps of ethical issues with any AGI approach. The >>>>>>>>>> H-AGI inorganic version will have one ethics/risk landscape, the >>>>>>>>>> H-AGI >>>>>>>>>> organic version another. Both of these will contrast with the C-AGI >>>>>>>>>> risk >>>>>>>>>> landscape. In what ways? I dunno! Let's find out! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Colin Hales >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *AGI* | Archives >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> >>>>>>>>>> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *AGI* | Archives >>>>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11721311-20a65d4a> >>>>>>>>> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *AGI* | Archives >>>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> >>>>>>>> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *AGI* | Archives >>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11721311-20a65d4a> >>>>>>> | Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/26973278-698fd9ee> | >>>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11721311-20a65d4a> | >>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27079473-66e47b26> | >>>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards, >>>> Mark Seveland >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> Mark Seveland >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Mark Seveland >> > > > > -- > Regards, > Mark Seveland > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/17795807-366cfa2a> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
