This is great! Certainly we need to iron out several things to get this organization going.
First and for most, in order to get people motivated to join and contribute we will require an objective which we believe in, and that others will be intrinsically motivated to pursue, since people are far more productive when they are intrinsically motivated. Perhaps we could coauthor a paper in which we survey the field of AGI discussing the pros and cons of the various approaches and expound upon how a hybrid approach can exploit the pros and overcome the cons of these approaches? If we could make clear the plausibility (and the novelty) of such a system then it would be fairly exciting to me and I would be happy to drive this project forward, and I believe others would be interested in joining (and perhaps even funding) our organization. But we really need to make a convincing case though because I'll do my best to punch wholes in any ideas that aren't sound, and also because an organization founded on an unsound foundation is destined to crumble. On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> wrote: > Your welcome. I need to head out here in a few, but should have Forums up > and running later tonight. > > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Dorian Aur <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Mark, that's excellent. We will probably need to use a faster way of >> communication to develop new things once IGI is better shaped. >> Best, >> Dorian >> >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Live chat room at the IGI website. >>> http://instituteofgeneralintelligence.tk/chat/ >>> >>> Its not pretty, but it works. (working on customization) >>> >>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Its alive..... >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +===================================+ >>>>> | New Account Info | >>>>> +===================================+ >>>>> | Domain: instituteofgeneralintelligence.tk >>>>> | Ip: 192.185.121.233 (n) >>>>> | HasCgi: y >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not a web developer as such. But I can set up Wordpress and a >>>>>> forum if you like. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:06 PM, colin hales <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Excellent.. It'll do for now.. Am not a web dev guy. Plant a flag >>>>>>> and let it sit. Someone will have to own its development for a bit. >>>>>>> While >>>>>>> some proposed content takes shape. It doesn't have to be pretty! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Time zone issues here. Gotta go. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Colin >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> From: Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: 20/05/2015 11:47 AM >>>>>>> To: AGI <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I registered a free domain name >>>>>>> INSTITUTEOFGENERALINTELLIGENCE.TK >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it is pointing to Mark's name servers. Who wants to create a hello >>>>>>> world web page so we can test it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I put in a backorder and found out igi.org t was gone >>>>>>>> afterwards. Doh. >>>>>>>> Does the predation have to start so soon? There's always a shark. >>>>>>>> OK. I'll ask. May take a while. >>>>>>>> Dorian... It's your name. Have you any alternatives if this shark >>>>>>>> turns out to be too hungry? >>>>>>>> Leave it there for the moment.a >>>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>>> colin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The domain name owner can be contacted at the e-mail address >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. Ask him how much he wants for the >>>>>>>>> domain. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We can always just grab a free domain name and change later once >>>>>>>>> the organization gets going. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I didn't buy igi.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Benjamin Kapp <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The igi.org domain no longer seems to be offering its self for >>>>>>>>>>> sale when I visit it. Did someone buy it already? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Colin Hales < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Logan, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Logan Streondj < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 09:48:03AM +1000, colin hales wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Sorry about the previous empty. Phone issue. 10 thumbs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > My particular flavour of the non-computer approach is >>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant. I am not pushing my own at all. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > Robot $ and kind irrelevant. I have the math you speak of. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong on both counts. >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > I do not care what kind of NC-AGI arises. All I know is that >>>>>>>>>>>>> NC-AGI important, neglected and needs a champion. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> okay so obviously you are the champion. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it important? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it's never been done. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> you guys have been talking about it for a week now, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and I still have no idea why you think it has value. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> like lets be honest here, anything that isn't a computer or >>>>>>>>>>>>> technology is biology. so what you are really talking about >>>>>>>>>>>>> (seems to me) is biological-AGI, or connecting a vat of >>>>>>>>>>>>> brain-cells to a computer. >>>>>>>>>>>>> this has been done, and can play simple video games. >>>>>>>>>>>>> but so can deep neuronets on computers. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No it is not necessarily biology. H-AGI can use biological >>>>>>>>>>>> material or make inorganic versions of the biological substrate. >>>>>>>>>>>> Mine is >>>>>>>>>>>> totally inorganic. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And while hooking bio material to other hardware has been done, >>>>>>>>>>>> it has not been done by anyone headed in the direction of an AGI. >>>>>>>>>>>> Pure wet >>>>>>>>>>>> neuroscience? Yes. Machine learning? Yes. Robot control? Yes. This >>>>>>>>>>>> particular approach is not what I intend. Dorian may be more >>>>>>>>>>>> interested in >>>>>>>>>>>> that. I don't want to stop anyone doing any of it just because it >>>>>>>>>>>> clashes >>>>>>>>>>>> with my own vision of it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > So please set anything you think you know about me or my >>>>>>>>>>>>> approach aside. You actually know almost nothing and what little >>>>>>>>>>>>> that is is >>>>>>>>>>>>> irrelevant to what is happening in this thread. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> okay so do you have some kind of proprietary secret approach? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking you can Dorian can sign an NDA and then no one >>>>>>>>>>>>> will ever know about anything you guys do. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> personally I think that there are a lot of potential ethical >>>>>>>>>>>>> issues with using biological mediums for computation, also they >>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't particularly scalable or portable. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I can see scalability. I can see portability. I can see >>>>>>>>>>>> generativity. It will be clunky at first like all new ideas. It >>>>>>>>>>>> has an >>>>>>>>>>>> organic and an inorganic aspect. All untried as H-AGI. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Both Dorian and I have written up and published everything that >>>>>>>>>>>> is needed to get your head round the fundamentals, which I know >>>>>>>>>>>> can be hard >>>>>>>>>>>> to see for those without the biophysics. We have both argued for a >>>>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>>>> time, one way or another, that the approach is novel. The one-liner >>>>>>>>>>>> explanation: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *H-AGI is where the brain physics essential to an AGI is >>>>>>>>>>>> identified and included in an AGI substrate. This is achieved by >>>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>>> replicating the physics (organic/inorganic, doesn't matter) and >>>>>>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>>>>>> that physics on the substrate then and testing its performance >>>>>>>>>>>> against >>>>>>>>>>>> alternatives that lack that physics (i.e. that might ignore it or >>>>>>>>>>>> model it, >>>>>>>>>>>> replacing it with the physics of the instantiation of the model, >>>>>>>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>>>>>>> that might be).* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So it's rather simple. Both Dorian and I have identified >>>>>>>>>>>> candidate 'low-hanging fruit' physics. There may be others. That >>>>>>>>>>>> physics >>>>>>>>>>>> may be the crucial missing link that has dogged AGI for decades. >>>>>>>>>>>> If so, >>>>>>>>>>>> then all activity that did not include that essential physics was >>>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>>> destined to underperform in mysterious ways that it is H-AGIs job >>>>>>>>>>>> to sort >>>>>>>>>>>> out. The IGI, if it existed, would do that. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes there are heaps of ethical issues with any AGI approach. >>>>>>>>>>>> The H-AGI inorganic version will have one ethics/risk landscape, >>>>>>>>>>>> the H-AGI >>>>>>>>>>>> organic version another. Both of these will contrast with the >>>>>>>>>>>> C-AGI risk >>>>>>>>>>>> landscape. In what ways? I dunno! 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