But seriously. I agree completely. Where do we start? OpenCog looks good. Its got a nice start.
Cynthia from MIT is in the process of creating a product. JIBO https://www.jibo.com/ On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Mark Seveland <[email protected]> wrote: > That would be great. Let know when its ready. =P > > On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Piaget Modeler < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I meant, actually going through and creating H-AGI and S-AGI, as >> providing content. >> >> ~PM >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 22:59:20 -0700 >> >> Subject: Re: [agi] H-AGI towards S-AGI >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> Thank you. >> >> I agree. Ben's suggested a few videos for the gallery. I got some other >> ideas on presenting existing initiatives. >> >> >> On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Piaget Modeler < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Looks solid for a few days work. well done. >> >> But now the real work begins, providing serious content based on actual >> work. >> >> Good luck. >> >> ~PM >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 20:56:41 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [agi] H-AGI towards S-AGI >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> >> my email is mseveland (at) gmail (dot) com. Please feel free to contact >> me if you would like: >> >> 1. Admin access to the website (must be ok with Bengimin Knapp (as he >> paid for domain). >> 2. Admin or moderator access to the forums. >> 3. Have suggestions or recommendation for the web site or anything >> contained within. >> >> I am an admin guy, not a web site designer. (I'm doing the best I know >> how), and would seriously appreciate feedback and input. >> >> Thank you, That is all, Please return to your previous program.... >> >> On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> So what is this "inorganic tissue" made from? silicon? >> >> >> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:48:17AM +1000, Colin Hales wrote: >> > Hi Dorian et. al., >> > >> > I am going to have to piecemeal this. Up to armpits in crocs. Can't >> commit >> > to chat just yet. >> > >> > I have a suggestion for this bit >> > =============================== >> > Why H-AGI? >> > >> > - Present different forms of computation , ( particular forms of >> > computation analog, digital -Turing machines ) >> > - Computations in the brain (examples of computations that are hardly >> > replicated on digital computers) *I can do this (see below)* >> > - H-AGI can include all forms of computations: >> > algorithmic/non-algorithmic, analog/digital,* >> > quantum/classical. Organic/Inorganic. *H-AGI incorporates whatever >> level >> > of natural biophysics is thought essential to AGI operation. It is >> that >> > biophysics that introduces some desired level of natural computation >> into >> > the H-AGI. The biophysics is literally incorporated in the >> > processor/chipset. This could take the form of actual biological >> substrate >> > (cellular tissue) or it could be an inorganic version of some part >> of the >> > biophysics of the organic original. >> > - The reason for beginning a program of H-AGI works is that by >> virtue of >> > its retention of the natural biophysics, it allows us to >> scientifically >> > determine the role of the natural biophysics in intelligence. >> > Properties potentially lost the moment the boundary of any abstract >> model >> > of the biophysics is chosen. >> > - H-AGI recognises the significance of the loss of natural biophysics >> > has had essentially no attention in AI or AGI, both of which have >> been >> > confined to the 100% elimination of the natural biophysics. H-AGI >> commences >> > that investigation, not because of any particular knowledge, but >> because >> > the choice not to do it has had almost no attention since the >> inception of >> > AI. >> > >> > =========================================== >> > Next, I would add another whole section to Dorian's wet version of >> H-AGI: >> > the 'dry' inorganic version. The wet version sounds fine to me. No >> problem. >> > I don't claim to have thought deeply about that. So I defer to Dorian. >> > >> > For the dry H-AGI I have already generated an example (in the paper I >> have >> > already written). I show the natural original, the modelled version >> (C-AGI) >> > and the inorganic version (H-AGI). It is not synthetic S-AGI because it >> > doesn't have *all* the brain's biophysics. It only has that tiny >> proportion >> > of the natural physics being explored for its role in intelligence. It >> is >> > not C-AGI and it is not S-AGI. It is H-AGI. Somewhere in between. Where >> the >> > natural biophysics computation stops the abstract modelling (analog or >> > digital) takes over in its more traditional guises (computer or >> > neuromorphic chip). Dry H-AGI doesn't have *all* the brain's biophysics. >> > >> > Biological tissue usage is (wet) H-AGI because it introduces a >> proportion >> > of natural tissue (not the whole brain). All the biophysics, not all the >> > brain. Inorganic replication of biological tissue biophysics is H-AGI >> > because it retains part of the biophysics but is till not the whole >> brain. >> > Both wet and dry approaches are also H-AGI because they traditional >> > modelling as a form of container for the biophysics. >> > >> > (Aside: The organic/wet H-AGI and the inorganic/dry H-AGI could be >> classed >> > as quantum-mechanical in nature by virtue of the biophysics ultimately >> > being based on quantum processes. Classical physics is the only thing >> > needed to describe it at the functional/construction level. The >> properties >> > conferred through the quantum substrate are something to be argued >> *after >> > you built it, IMO*) >> > >> > *Summary* >> > Dorian wants to do H-AGI biologically. I want to do it inorganically. >> Both >> > are really hard. Neither are synthetic S-AGI because they also have >> > abstract modelling of other brain processes. If Dorian made a brain >> > entirely out of organics (no abstract computation/models) , that would >> be >> > synthetic. If I made a brain entirely out of inorganics (no abstract >> > computation/models), that would be synthetic. >> > >> > Wet *and* Dry H-AGI are needed in an expanded conceptual basis for AGI >> > future development. All that is required is to see that these >> initiatives >> > are currently unexplored and that the scientific knowledge needed to see >> > which approach offers what future, and thereby put the pure abstract >> > modelling approach on a scientific footing, is what the IGI is about. >> > >> > The Dry H-AGI section is what I want to add. I am hoping that we are on >> the >> > same page as regards the compartmentalisation of different approaches. >> > >> > Gnarly bits? Please advise. >> > >> > Gotta go ... panic prep for sale of my brother's house. >> > >> > regards >> > >> > Colin Hales >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------- >> > AGI >> > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> > RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d >> > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27079473-66e47b26 >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Mark Seveland >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27079473-66e47b26> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Mark Seveland >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27079473-66e47b26> | >> Modify >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> >> Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > Regards, > Mark Seveland > -- Regards, Mark Seveland ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
