Hey, how about us downloaders who want NO simulation? We want repairable/replaceable bodies in the REAL world.
Steve On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, EdFromNH . <[email protected]> wrote: > Re uploading, I should think those who are seeking to make "safe" AI > should be rather afraid of uploaded minds, because of their potential to > merge into machine superintelligence, while presumably maintaining all the > primal, often conflicting, and largely selfish instincts of human nature. > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Marco Alpini <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Great synthesis Alan I agree 100% >> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:08 AM, Alan Grimes <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Okay, it seems that I should add some detail to my anti-uploading stance. >>> >>> I am not an uploader and I don't support uploading, especially with >>> respect to myself. >>> >>> That said, there does seem to be two categories of uploaders. >>> >>> First, there are the "porch uploaders". These people see uploading as an >>> alternative to death and see it as a means for getting another go-round. >>> On balance, I don't have any problem with that. They see a choice >>> between uploading and death, and if you accept that as a dichotomy, then >>> it is reasonable to choose uploading. It is also reasonable to chose >>> death in that case, but then it's more of a coin-flip or a value >>> judgement. Porch uploaders do not have a specific teleology and do not >>> propose anything that would negatively impact people who do not chose to >>> upload. Because of that, I don't really care because it falls under >>> morphological and neuromorphic freedom and should be treated as a basic >>> right. >>> >>> The hard uploaders, on the other hand, have a very different outlook. >>> They believe that uploading should be achieved as soon as possible, and >>> implemented universally as soon as it can meet their definition of >>> safety. They see no future for organic life, no alternate courses of >>> evolution, no possibility for even any revision or improvement of their >>> own meme-plex. They propose an absolutely cataclysmic teleology that >>> would obliterate life as we know it, and everything we value in our >>> current incarnations not only here on Earth but across the universe. =\ >>> >>> It is this later group that I rail against because it precludes all >>> other evolutionary paths and because it just plain sux. =\ It denies all >>> ambitions that aren't scanning your brain into a computer simulation. >>> Basically, if you don't work for a laboratory studying mind uploading, >>> then whatever you are doing is merely killing time while you wait for >>> the uploading research to complete and the singularity comes and uploads >>> you and ushers in the "post upload era" where biological life will, at >>> best, be keept around until it finally relents and allows itself to be >>> uploaded. =( >>> >>> -- >>> IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel. >>> >>> Powers are not rights. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> AGI >>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>> RSS Feed: >>> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/27738727-35a82580 >>> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>> >> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/8630185-a57a74e1> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full employment. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
