Yes open source means more AI's at around the same level of capability. However, like you pointed out their reasoning if flawed. Bad humans might be rare enough relative to good humans, but that is because humans evolved social/ethical genes/memes, which most humans have. But there is no reason to assume that the same will be true for AI's, since they will not share 99% of the genes (source code) like humans do. The only reason AI's would be good is if humans create social/ethical software modules that we somehow force into the majority of AI's, or if the AI's are forced to evolve in ways that they interact with each other and/or humans. If you force them to evolve in a social world they will learn that it pays to get along with others, since you can get more stuff done that way. Or perhaps they will discover what the great philosopher Al Capone discovered "You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone."
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: > On 12/14/15, Ben Kapp <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, their argument for open AI leading to positive AI is as follows in > > their own words. > > > > > > "If I’m Dr. Evil and I use it, won’t you be empowering me? > > Musk: I think that’s an excellent question and it’s something that we > > debated quite a bit. > > Altman: There are a few different thoughts about this. Just like humans > > protect against Dr. Evil by the fact that most humans are good, and the > > collective force of humanity can contain the bad elements, we think its > far > > more likely that *many, many AIs, will work to stop the occasional bad > > actors* than the idea that there is a single AI a billion times more > > powerful than anything else. If that one thing goes off the rails or if > Dr. > > Evil gets that one thing and there is nothing to counteract it, then > we’re > > really in a bad place." > > > https://medium.com/backchannel/how-elon-musk-and-y-combinator-plan-to-stop-computers-from-taking-over-17e0e27dd02a#.aojim3ery > > > > > > Their rationale for making this openly available, is the belief that > doing > > so would result in many AGI's which would compete with each other and in > > this way provide protection from one single super intelligence from > taking > > over. > > > Well, if the argument is that by virtue of having more "good" AIs than > "bad" AIs and the occasional Dr Evil, whether you happen to have a > great many AIs running closed source and other open source, I don't > see the difference. Are you saying that just making it open source > will result in more AIs out there? > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Regarding AI Safety: > >> > >> The argument appears to be that open source means the public can > >> examine the AI's source code in advance for potential dangerous > >> behavior, I think. I haven't read the expanded argument Ben links to. > >> > >> It seems intuitively to me that if the AI is truly autonomous, > >> learning and thinking on its own, creating new thought structures > >> dynamically, etc etc, it would go far beyond what happened to be in > >> its source code to start off with, so I'm not sure how much of an > >> advantage is to be gained just by virtue of the code being public in > >> terms of safety alone. There would be an advantage, no doubt, but > >> remember we are talking about AI which is essentially less defined and > >> coded in advance that our more typical applications which are open > >> sourced. > >> > >> > >> Mike A > >> > >> On 12/13/15, colin hales <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Prediction: Without a significant overhaul of their strategy, that > >> $Billion > >> > will create another stratum in the 65+ years of layers of narrow-AI. > >> Deeper > >> > into the niches. Useful.... But ... > >> > > >> > Deep automation (their 'digital intelligence') is not AGI. > >> > > >> > How many years more before the 65 year old, many-$Billion experiment > >> (that > >> > AGI involves computers) is found suspect enough to spend, say, $11.37 > >> > on > >> the > >> > obvious alternative? > >> > > >> > End of year gripe. Am about to turn 60. My curmudgeon index is > >> > redlining. > >> > > >> > :) > >> > Colin > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: "Ben Goertzel" <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: 14/12/2015 2:21 PM > >> > To: "AGI" <[email protected]> > >> > Subject: Re: [agi] Elon Musk Helps Launch OpenAI, Non-Profit Dedicated > >> > toArtificial Intelligence - Funding: 1 billion USD > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > My first thoughts on OpenAi are here: > >> > > >> > > >> > http://wp.goertzel.org/openai-quick-thoughts/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:49 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > http://futurism.com/links/19499/ > >> > > >> > AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Ben Goertzel, PhD > >> > http://goertzel.org > >> > > >> > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one > >> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. 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