With the major advancement in traditional logic (that I am not going to name), traditional non-AGI programming can be used to monitor what the AGIs (including specialized AGIs) are doing.. Jim Bromer
On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Dr Miles Dyson < [email protected]> wrote: > Yes open source means more AI's at around the same level of capability. > > However, like you pointed out their reasoning if flawed. Bad humans might > be rare enough relative to good humans, but that is because humans evolved > social/ethical genes/memes, which most humans have. But there is no reason > to assume that the same will be true for AI's, since they will not share > 99% of the genes (source code) like humans do. The only reason AI's would > be good is if humans create social/ethical software modules that we somehow > force into the majority of AI's, or if the AI's are forced to evolve in > ways that they interact with each other and/or humans. If you force them > to evolve in a social world they will learn that it pays to get along with > others, since you can get more stuff done that way. Or perhaps they will > discover what the great philosopher Al Capone discovered "You can get much > farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On 12/14/15, Ben Kapp <[email protected]> wrote: >> > No, their argument for open AI leading to positive AI is as follows in >> > their own words. >> > >> > >> > "If I’m Dr. Evil and I use it, won’t you be empowering me? >> > Musk: I think that’s an excellent question and it’s something that we >> > debated quite a bit. >> > Altman: There are a few different thoughts about this. Just like humans >> > protect against Dr. Evil by the fact that most humans are good, and the >> > collective force of humanity can contain the bad elements, we think its >> far >> > more likely that *many, many AIs, will work to stop the occasional bad >> > actors* than the idea that there is a single AI a billion times more >> > powerful than anything else. If that one thing goes off the rails or if >> Dr. >> > Evil gets that one thing and there is nothing to counteract it, then >> we’re >> > really in a bad place." >> > >> https://medium.com/backchannel/how-elon-musk-and-y-combinator-plan-to-stop-computers-from-taking-over-17e0e27dd02a#.aojim3ery >> > >> > >> > Their rationale for making this openly available, is the belief that >> doing >> > so would result in many AGI's which would compete with each other and in >> > this way provide protection from one single super intelligence from >> taking >> > over. >> >> >> Well, if the argument is that by virtue of having more "good" AIs than >> "bad" AIs and the occasional Dr Evil, whether you happen to have a >> great many AIs running closed source and other open source, I don't >> see the difference. Are you saying that just making it open source >> will result in more AIs out there? >> >> >> > >> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 10:34 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Regarding AI Safety: >> >> >> >> The argument appears to be that open source means the public can >> >> examine the AI's source code in advance for potential dangerous >> >> behavior, I think. I haven't read the expanded argument Ben links to. >> >> >> >> It seems intuitively to me that if the AI is truly autonomous, >> >> learning and thinking on its own, creating new thought structures >> >> dynamically, etc etc, it would go far beyond what happened to be in >> >> its source code to start off with, so I'm not sure how much of an >> >> advantage is to be gained just by virtue of the code being public in >> >> terms of safety alone. There would be an advantage, no doubt, but >> >> remember we are talking about AI which is essentially less defined and >> >> coded in advance that our more typical applications which are open >> >> sourced. >> >> >> >> >> >> Mike A >> >> >> >> On 12/13/15, colin hales <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Prediction: Without a significant overhaul of their strategy, that >> >> $Billion >> >> > will create another stratum in the 65+ years of layers of narrow-AI. >> >> Deeper >> >> > into the niches. Useful.... But ... >> >> > >> >> > Deep automation (their 'digital intelligence') is not AGI. >> >> > >> >> > How many years more before the 65 year old, many-$Billion experiment >> >> (that >> >> > AGI involves computers) is found suspect enough to spend, say, $11.37 >> >> > on >> >> the >> >> > obvious alternative? >> >> > >> >> > End of year gripe. Am about to turn 60. My curmudgeon index is >> >> > redlining. >> >> > >> >> > :) >> >> > Colin >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: "Ben Goertzel" <[email protected]> >> >> > Sent: 14/12/2015 2:21 PM >> >> > To: "AGI" <[email protected]> >> >> > Subject: Re: [agi] Elon Musk Helps Launch OpenAI, Non-Profit >> Dedicated >> >> > toArtificial Intelligence - Funding: 1 billion USD >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > My first thoughts on OpenAi are here: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://wp.goertzel.org/openai-quick-thoughts/ >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:49 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > http://futurism.com/links/19499/ >> >> > >> >> > AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > Ben Goertzel, PhD >> >> > http://goertzel.org >> >> > >> >> > "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one >> >> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. 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