Hi all, Some of you know of my being literally sold into indentured servitude in Saudi Arabia in 1994. Extricating myself required first reading and understanding the Koran - which is shorter than the Bible, but still capable of multiple interpretations.
There is a little "glitch" that many Muslims have missed, that if you read particular passages together REQUIRE you to go out and die in service of Islam. Here is how it works: 1. Many Muslims believe that Mohammad was a kind and gentle person much like Jesus. I have met people who have graduated from Saudi schools who never learned that Mohammad ordered the execution of the Jewish men of Medina and the sale of their wives and children into slavery. This piece of history is NOT in the Koran. This in turn guides the reading of several important passages in the Koran to mean the violence they state. Needless to say, ISIS members know all about this piece of. history. 2. Remember, much of the Koran was written while Mohammad was out conquering much of the then-know world for Islam. While there is no commandment in the Koran to wage such wars, there is plenty of advice as to HOW to wage them, e.g. if you are traveling in connection to service in a holy war, you need NOT stop and pray at the usual times, etc. 3. While Christianity believes in endless forgiveness, Judaism believes in forgiving 3 times, and Islam believe in NO forgiveness once people have accepted Islam. So, one sin and you are doomed to Hell. Period. but there is an obscure way past this road to Hell. 4. If you die in connection with your service to Islam, you go directly to paradise DESPITE your past sins. Hence, if you have sinned since accepting Islam (probably as a small child), the ONLY way to avoid Hell in your afterlife is to go and find a war in which to die. ISIS now has a monopoly on hold wars. My point here is that everyone besides ISIS says that ISIS is misreading the Koran, and yes, there are MANY things that ISIS does that run counter to the Koran. However, the basic thesis of running out and blowing yourself and others up in the only holy war now taking place **IS** supported by the Koran - better than other less-violent interpretations. To do otherwise would condemn every Muslim sinner to an afterlife in Hell. You wouldn't want to do THAT would you?!!! OK, considering the above, just WHAT might you "teach" these Muslims who have connected these particular "dots" in the Koran? This looks fundamentally hopeless to me - at least until someone proposes a workable solution. Note the VERY close parallel between ISIS and the Assassin sect. Genghis Khan solved the problem with the Assassins - he killed every one of them. The problem here is the Koran, that will go on to spin off future sects like the Assassins and ISIS. Watch for the final battle with ISIS. If military wisdom prevails, there will be NO prisoners. *Steve* ================== On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Ben, > > Yes I mentioned one of "vaccines" or counter-measures, would include "a > few schools of Islam which are pacifistic". As you mentioned Sufism, > there is also Ahmadiyya, and Baha'i, however all of them are violently > persecuted in Islamic nations. > > Sunni is 87%-90%, Shia is 10%-13%, wheras Ahmadiyya and Bahai are both > small fractions of a percent, totalling around 20 million of the over > billion muslims. > > Sufism is practised by both Sunni and Shia muslims, though in general > minority numbers outside of Sub-Saharan Africa. Senegal being > probably the biggest Sufi stronghold, with 92% practising Sufism. > Ethiopia has a fair amount at 18%. > > Sufism has a meditation practice, which allows qualia analysis, so it > is likely the form of Islam most conducive to AGI development. > > In general if some kind of anti-radicalization specialists were > reading this, my recommendation for de-radicalising Islamic states or > Islamic-ASI, would be encouraging religious tolerance for Sufism, > this will hopefully be a foot in the door that allows it to open to > Ahmadiyya and Bahai. Once there is enough Bahai influence it would > allow all world religions. > > Secularisation, or non-religiousness however doesn't seem to work, > since in the predominantly non-sufi muslim nations the non-religious > are the most likely to convert to Islam [1]. > [1] > http://www.pewforum.org/2012/08/09/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversit > y-1-religious-affiliation/ > > > Thoughtfully, > Logan > > On 04/02/2016 11:32 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: > > Islam is a big tent and Sufism is not remotely aggressive. Go read > > some Rumi ;) > > > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Logan Streondj > > <[email protected]> wrote: Hi AGIer's > > > > I know Steve has mentioned this before, and at first I was > > confused what he meant. But having looking into various sources > > particularly into the history of world conflict and > > http://www.thereligionofpeace.com / > > > > I've come to realize that Islam really is, an aggressive program, > > with an agenda much like the hypothetical "nano-fog" of converting > > everything into copies of itself, or else destroy it in the > > process. > > > > So now presuming there was an outbreak of extremist Islamic faith > > ASI's, what would be the best way of mitigating that kind of > > disaster scenario? > > > > So far I've found a few "vaccines" or "anti-venom's" such as the > > redefining of jihad as some kind of inner spiritual battle, and a > > few schools of Islam which are pacifistic. > > > > However it seems that some radical elements of islam, such as the > > tafkir, which are more extreme than the jihadi, are willing to > > kill those who they deem "apostate", or of a different school of > > islam than themselves. It's a kind of immune system in the Islam > > program. > > > > Additionally it tends to be degreed engineers which are the most > > likely to radicalize to the terrorist extreme, so it is only a > > matter of time and coincidence before a software engineer with > > access to AGI programs it to be a jihadi/tafkir islamist. In fact > > I'm sure it is already happening as there are plenty of islamist > > hacker groups. > > > > For humans at least, the only non-violent solution seems to be > > assimilation and or conversion to some of the safer variants of > > islam or even to whole other faiths. > > > > Otherwise there is defending from attacks, which risks and > > auto-immune disorder if security is raised excessively. > > > > I'm wondering what the groups ideas may be regarding > > anti-radicalization of malevolent AGI's, particularly in the case > > example of Islam. > > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: > >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: > >> https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-deec6279 > >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > > > > > - -- > Logan Streondj, > A dream of Gaia's future. > http://joyfullifestyle.ca > > You can use encrypted email with me, > how to: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/ > key fingerprint: > BD7E 6E2A E625 6D47 F7ED 30EC 86D8 FC7C FAD7 2729 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJXAdOLAAoJEIbY/Hz61ycpyIwP/ReaT5lV9CWi04JZBmldtt7s > LMHj6fXUc4ss+q91nCCpm7TJ+mBh2jUCY1K76o2phuPfl78wGkL4/cRz+/wUJTsC > nbiBNtIuZFTPlQkwAe7nLhzUAJ53HFjtdqKaR9NgsaVlJyf6IfB8fW7A7PF1q9vJ > 58/uwx1ny+0EpUcbetM4HsAGJqhUspaMVoMPa43yVgcCX7+WqEpkYI7TkyP9/C6Q > Qm2vbRVt3zP/ZYzIZPsFmgSy/4Z7Xl6w4OODRMBalyxEugGCLKmPYVNl5NJRYwbu > 7pwrDVHfcTDbbcYVdE1QYsgkFIrIdAJHxb/LfwHTzqkeBcSmUCWUKftYwVrHremT > A9n52ZU84a5DuWyPdDAAyewpsusLfmNNML0/Pp7sBhRxw0PpMW8jb630QA2gBity > sHf8qVeU/E4V/V2IBhNR9cmHbOisDYBm6F19KLOVvw2MBPILX6osJSOEiaR5CiCL > bc7gc/devOklWYl+6OA3wS6XMhg/GYbbApmXXPmmGEPOq/ti2nS4PnsPb1ETPtvL > VgRfkza96D/VCBNmLZ+GNLr1S8Gfy8RhBDLXdJ7CbPSIB4m5UAJQtp6dvMYFhksx > ZhM+BWjPJP8WE0RGzDaCntKmpVc0a7XGns0R/YfWCvLcjltW0OrX7k8ie6G0VSVe > LNsa7IKJSmuuLI9AeElj > =iHPN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. 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