http://goertzel.org/Neural_Foundations_Symbolic_Thought.pdf
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:54 PM, EdFromNH . <[email protected]> wrote: > Ben, could you please send me a free author's copy of the paper at > http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6889662/ . Ed Porter > > On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Ben >> >> Conceptually, I like where you are going with this. Your team's work with >> human-language-based robotic communication is astounding. >> >> I think your idea of a universal attractor has merit. I suppose, in the >> end, when matter exists, it generates an elcetro-magnetic field. In a >> genetic sense, the flux of such a field would act as an open and >> closed-loop communications network. In this sense, the relevant data, >> information, and a relative perspective of knowledge, would all be packaged >> within relative, genomic code. In other words, we are imagining a relative >> system of relative systems from which reality would functionally emerge. >> >> Given my systems methodology, what remains to be done in order to >> visualize a model of human-like machine reasoning, is to be able to link >> your "attractor" value to the information, from which it should become >> possible to systematically emerge any informational concept at any level of >> abstraction within any, dimension of reasoning. The genetics of resultant >> information would in theory make forward and backchaining possible, and >> much more. >> >> The completeness schema of functional, attractor values seems to be a >> critical machine-reasoning component to pursue. It would probably also >> assume the role of a priority systems constraint. I've been doing much >> thinking about this as a next-step for my own research. >> >> I think you've got this. Keep up the great work. >> >> Rob >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* 27 July 2017 04:57 AM >> *To:* AGI >> *Subject:* Re: [agi] Neuroscience-Inspired AI >> >> >> Well I would say that none of the work done at Deep Mind and also none of >> the ideas in Demis etc.'s paper address the questions I raised in this paper >> >> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6889662/ >> How might the brain represent complex symbolic knowledge? - IEEE Xplore >> Document <http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6889662/> >> ieeexplore.ieee.org >> A novel category of theories is proposed, providing a potential >> explanation for the representation of complex knowledge in the human (and, >> more generally, >> >> >> (sorry for the paywall ... use sci-hub.cc ...) >> >> So there is no real plan for how to achieve abstract symbolic reasoning >> as needed for human level general intelligence within a purely formal-NN >> type approach >> >> >> Obviously in opencog we are taking more of a symbolic-neural approach so >> we don't have issues with abstraction >> >> Also if you look at the recent Markram et al paper on algebraic topology >> and mesoscopic brain structure, there is nothing in the Hassabis etc. >> universe that seems to address how such structures would be learned or >> would emerge >> >> >> >> But sure in a big-picture historical sense the progress happening these >> days on "narrow AI verging toward AGI" and on "making complex cognitive >> architectures finally do stuff" is super exciting. We are on the verge of >> multiple breakthroughs within the next few years. Woo hoo !! >> >> - -Ben >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 5:55 AM, EdFromNH . <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> About the above linked Hassabis paper, Ben said, "It's sort of a high >>> level inspirational paper... it does lay down pretty clearly what sort of >>> thinking and approach Deep Mind is likely to be taking in the next years >>> ... there are no big surprises here though as this has been Demis's >>> approach, bias and interest all along, right?" >>> >>> From my knowledge of several articles and videos by, or about, Hassabis -- >>> I totally agree. But I am a little less ho-hum than Ben, perhaps because >>> I'm not as up on the current state of AGI as Ben. >>> >>> Reading Hassabis's paper makes me bullish about how close we are to >>> powerful, if not fully human-level AGI, within 5 years. >>> >>> Why? Because all of the unsolved challenges Hassabis discusses seem >>> like they could be easily solved if enough engineering and programming >>> talent was thrown at them. I feel like I could relatively easily >>> -- within a few months -- weave plausible high level architectural >>> descriptions for solving all of these problems, as, presumably, people >>> like Demis and Ben could do even better. (Perhaps that is why Ben is so >>> ho-hum about the paper.) With the money that's being thrown into AGI, and >>> the much greater ease of doing cognitive architectural experiments made >>> possible with Neural Turing Machines -- which allow programmable, modular >>> plug-and-play with pre-designed and pre-trained neural net modules -- the >>> world is going to get weird fast. >>> >>> Tell me why I am wrong. >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Ed Pell <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5467749/ >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/23/2017 4:18 PM, Giacomo Spigler wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> An Approximation of the Error Backpropagation >>>>> Algorithm in a Predictive Coding Network >>>>> with Local Hebbian Synaptic Plasticity >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>> AGI >>>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>>> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/8630185-a57a7 >>>> 4e1 >>>> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>>> >>> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19237892-5029d625> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> "I am God! 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