David said: >> It strikes me that what many of the messages refer to as "ethical" stances toward life, the earth, >> etc., are actually simply extensions of self interest. It is our sense of self or seperateness that guides us to act in our own self-interest. In eastern religions it is taught that self and desire are the roots of greed, violence etc...
When we develop empathy for others we then have investment in their welfare because we cease to treat satisfying the desires of our self as the only or most important thing. I have been trying to teach my child empathy from a very early age. He is only 5 now but already he is showing strong signs of empathy and altruistic behavour. This type of training should be given to the AGI as early as it is understandable in order to ensure proper consideration of the welfare of it's creators. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of C. David Noziglia Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [agi] Friendliness toward humans It strikes me that what many of the messages refer to as "ethical" stances toward life, the earth, etc., are actually simply extensions of self interest. In fact, ethical systems of cooperation are really, on a very simplistic level, ways of improving the lives of individuals. And this is not true because of strictures from on high, but for reasons of real-world self-interest. Thus, the Nash Equilibrium, or the results of the Tit-for-Tat game experiment, show that an individual life is better in an environment where players cooperate. Being nice is smart, not just moral. Other experiments have shown that much hard-wired human and animal behavior is aimed at enforcing cooperation to punish "cheaters," and that cooperation has survival value! I reference here, quickly, Darwin's Blind Spot, by Frank Ryan, which argues that symbiotic cooperation is a major creative force in evolution and biodiversity. Thus, simply giving AGI entities a deep understanding of game theory and the benefits of cooperative society would have far greater impact on their ability to interact productively with the human race than hard-wired instructions to follow the Three Laws that could some day be overwritten. C. David Noziglia Object Sciences Corporation 6359 Walker Lane, Alexandria, VA (703) 253-1095 "What is true and what is not? Only God knows. And, maybe, America." Dr. Khaled M. Batarfi, Special to Arab News "Just because something is obvious doesn't mean it's true." --- Esmerelda Weatherwax, witch of Lancre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Sutton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: [agi] Friendliness toward humans > In his last message Ben referred in passing to the issue of AGI's > "long- term Friendliness toward humans". > > This brought to mind some of the discussion in December last year > about training AGIs using simulation games that emulate aspects of the > natural world. > > I think that AGIs need to be not only friendy towards humans but > towards other life as well (organic or not!). And I also think AGIs > need to have a good understanding of the the need to protect the life > support systems for all life. > > As we aspire to a greater mind than current humans it's worth looking > at where human minds tend to be inadequate. I think humans lack an > inbuilt capacity for complex and long running internal simulations > that are probably necessary to be able to have a deep understanding of > ecological or more multifaceted sustainability issues. > > I think current humans have the capacity for ethics that are "not > exclusively anthropocentric" but that we need to boost this ethic in > actuality in the human community and I think we need to make sure that > AGIs develop this ethical stance too. > > Cheers, Philip > > Philip Sutton > Director, Strategy > Green Innovations Inc. > 195 Wingrove Street > Fairfield (Melbourne) VIC 3078 > AUSTRALIA > > Tel & fax: +61 3 9486-4799 > Email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.green-innovations.asn.au/ > > Victorian Registered Association Number: A0026828M > > ------- > To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, > please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?[EMAIL PROTECTED] ------- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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