> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > Thanks for the brain teaser!  As a sometimes believer in
> Occam's Razor, I
> > think it makes sense to assume that Xi and Xj are indepenent,
> unless we know
> > otherwise.  This simplifies things, and is the "rational" thing
> to do (for
> > some definition of rational ;->).  So why not construct a bayes
> net modeling
> > the distributions, with causal links only where you _know_ two
> variables are
> > dependent?  For reasoning about "orphan variables" (e.g., you
> know nothing
> > at all about Xi), just assume the average of all other
> distributions.  If
> > you have P(Xi|Xj), and want P(Xj|Xi), fudge something together
> with Bayes'
> > rule.  This isn't a complete solution, but its how I would
> start... Is this
> > one of the things you've tried?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Moshe

Well, the Novamente PTL (probabilistic term logic) module is not a Bayes
net, but it has some similarities.  It is based on elementary probability
theory, and its two main rules are

* inversion, which is just Bayes rule for guessing P(B|A) from P(A|B) (with
help from P(A) and P(B) )
* deduction, which is indeed based on an independence assumption, which goes
from P(A|B) and P(C|A) to P(C|B)

There are variants of the deduction rule to use when dependency information
is known; otherwise independency is assumed.

A major difference from a Bayes net however, is that PTL doesn't impose a
hierarchical structure like a Bayes net does.   In a realistically complex
web of probabilistic relationships, one is going to have heterarchical
interdependencies, and no hierarchy will capture what's going on.  Each
P(A|B) corresponds to an InheritanceLink in Novamente, but, these links
don't need to form a hierarchy.

There is more similarity between PTL and "loopy Bayes nets", but those are
kinda hacky -- they involve using algorithms proved correct for hierarchies,
and just applying them to heterarchies and hoping for the best.  PTL is
designed to work with nonhierarchical probability webs...

-- Ben







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