Oops heh I was eating French toast as I wrote this -

"intelligence (or the application of) or even perhaps consciousness is the
real-time surfing of "buttery effects""

I meant "butterfly effects".

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John G. Rose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:45 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [agi] Intelligence vs Efficient Intelligence
> 
> I'm probably not answering your question but have been thinking more on
> all
> this.
> 
> There's the usual thermodynamics stuff and relativistic physics that is
> going on with intelligence and flipping bits within this universe,
> verses
> the "no-friction" universe or Newtonian setup.
> 
> But what I've been thinking and this is probably just reiterating what
> someone else has worked through but basically a large part of
> intelligence
> is chaos control, chaos feedback loops, operating within complexity.
> Intelligence is some sort of delicate multi-vectored balancing act
> between
> complexity and projecting, manipulating, storing/modeling, NN training,
> genetic learning of the chaos and applying chaos in an environment and
> optimizing it's understanding and application of.  The more intelligent,
> the
> better handle an entity has on the chaos.  An intelligent entity can
> have
> maximal effect with minimal energy expenditure on its environment in a
> controlled manner; intelligence (or the application of) or even perhaps
> consciousness is the real-time surfing of "buttery effects".
> 
> So efficient intelligence involves thermodynamic power differentials of
> resource consumption applied to goals, etc.  A goal would be expressed
> similarly to intelligence formulae.  Really efficient means good chaos
> leverage understanding cycles, systems, entropy goings on over time and
> maximizing effect with minimal I/O control for goal achievement while
> utilizing the KR and the entity's resources...
> 
> John
> 
> 
> > From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > I guess people want intelligence to be useful, not just complex :-)
> >
> > This raises a question.  Suppose you had a very large program
> consisting
> > of
> > random instructions.  Such a thing would have high algorithmic
> > complexity, but
> > most people would not say that such a thing was intelligent (depending
> > on
> > their favorite definition).  But how would you know?  If you didn't
> know
> > how
> > the code was generated, then how would you know that the program was
> > really
> > random and didn't actually solve some very hard class of problems?
> 
> 
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