Ben: MT:>> You guys seem to think this - true common sense consciousness -
can all be
cracked in a year or two. I think there's probably a lot of good
reasons -
and therefore major creative problems - why it took a billion years of
evolution to achieve.
Ben: I'm not trying to emulate the brain. Evolution took billions of years
to NOT achieve the airplane, helicopter
or wheel ...
Well, what I and embodied cognitive science are trying to formulate
properly, both philosophically and scientifically, is why:
a) common sense consciousness is the brain-AND-body thinking on several
levels simultaneously about any given subject...
b) with the *largest* part of that thinking being "body thinking" - i.e.
your body working out *in-the-body* how the actions under consideration can
be enacted (although this is inseparable from, and dependent on, the
brain's levels of thinking)
and:
c) if an agent doesn't have a body that can think about how it can move (and
have emotions), then it almost certainly can't understand how other bodies
move (and have emotions) - and therefore can't acquire a
"more-than-it's-all-Greek/Chinese/probabilistic-logic-to-me" understanding
of physics, biology, psychology, sociology etc. etc. - of both the
formal/cultural and informal/personal kinds.
[my robotics friend's comments on b]:
"I do agree with you about the body mapping/consciousness being greater in
magnitude than symbolic consciousness. In fact, it appears the vast majority
of brain is devoted to the former, but only a small amount [uncertainty
reigns] may be devoted to the latter. Point in fact are the 30+ visual
cortical areas. It's not sure how they each contribute to visual
consciousness, per se, as compared to simply performing computations on the
visual input. " ]
and
d) you keep repeating the illusion that evolution did NOT achieve the
airplane and other machines - oh yes, it did - your central illusion here is
that machines are independent species. They're not. They are EXTENSIONS of
human beings, and don't work without human beings attached. Manifestly
evolution has taken several stages to perfect tool/machine-using species -
of whom we are only the latest version - I refer you to my good colleague,
the tool-using-and-creating Caledonian crow.
Yes, somehow, we are going to create the first independent machine species -
but there's a big unanswered set of questions as to how .
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agi
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