UGH!

>> My point is only that it is obvious that we are heading towards something 
>> really quickly, with unstoppable inertia, and unless some world tyrant 
>> crushed all freedoms and prevented everyone from doing what they are doing, 
>> there is no way that it is not going to happen.

Most people on this list would agree.

>>  So, enjoy, and be an observer to the show.  The ending is easy to predict 
>> so don't worry (excessively) about the details.  

Anthony, I don't know who you are . . . . but you're certainly *NOT* speaking 
for the community.  You are in a *very* small minority.

<Note:  I normally wouldn't bother posting a reply to something like this, but 
this is *SO* contrary to the general consensus of the community that I feel it 
is necessary>


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anthony George 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [agi] What should we do to be prepared?





  On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:53 AM, rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

    Hi

    Is anyone discussing what to do in the future when we
    have made AGIs? I thought that was part of why
    the singularity institute was made ?

    Note, that I am not saying we should not make them!
    Because someone will regardless of what we decide.

    I am asking for what should do to prepare for it!
    and also how we should affect the creation of AGIs?

    Here's some questions, I hope I am not the first to come up with.

    * Will they be sane?
    * Will they just be smart enough to pretend to be sane?
       until...they do not have to anymore.

    * Should we let them decide for us ?
     If not should we/can we restrict them ?

    * Can they feel any empathy for us ?
      If not, again should we try to manipulate/force them to
      act like they do?

    * Our society is very dependent on computer systems
     everywhere and its increasing!!!
      Should we let the AGIs have access to the internet ?
     If not is it even possible to restrict an AGI that can think super fast
     is a super genious and also has a lot of raw computer power?
     That most likely can find many solutions to get internet access...
     (( I can give many crazy examples on how if anyone doubts))

    * What should we "stupid" organics do to prepare ?
      Reduce our dependency?

    * Should a scientist, that do not have true ethical values be allowed to
    do AGI research ?
     Someone that just pretend to be ethical, someone that just wants the
    glory and the
     Nobel price....someone that answers the statement: It is insane With:
    Oh its just needs
     some adjustment, don't worry :)

    * What is the military doing ? Should we raise public awareness to gain
    insight?
       I guess all can imagine why this is important..

    The only answers I have found to what can truly control/restrict an AGI
    smarter than us
    are few..

    - Another AGI
    - Total isolation

    So anyone thinking about this?




    You seem rather concerned about this.  I don't agree that concern is 
warranted, at least not if that concern becomes negative or painful.  Now, the 
magisterium of contemporary scientific culture would stone me with 
condescending thoughts of "how silly... a folksy ignoramus" for saying or even 
thinking this.. but.....  just as hands are for grabbing and eyes are for 
seeing, final cause is not hard at all to intuit.  You can't find it with an 
instrument, but it is right there in front of you if you look for it.  Having 
said that, if you can accept that eyes are for seeing, then it is not too hard 
to intuit that we are, on some level, aside from our individual journeys 
perhaps, for building a medium for a noosphere.  Said another way, the next 
step in the evolution from rock to pure living information is, I think, the WWW 
as AGI, probably with nanobots and direct interface with human brains..  Or 
maybe not.  My point is only that it is obvious that we are heading towards 
something really quickly, with unstoppable inertia, and unless some world 
tyrant crushed all freedoms and prevented everyone from doing what they are 
doing, there is no way that it is not going to happen.  So, enjoy, and be an 
observer to the show.  The ending is easy to predict so don't worry 
(excessively) about the details.  







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