Hi Mark, I certainly did not intend to represent myself to the original poster as speaking for "the community." I'm not even *in* that community, whatever it is, much less representing it. The original post seemed a bit overly concerned to me... What exactly is one going to do about whatever it is that the military is doing? Nothing. So why worry about it? Will it be "sane"? Well, if it is global and general, and can read the meaning in text, which seems likely, then won't it simultaneously know all the rules of grammar, all the systems of logic, and all the classics of literature and philosophy? It seems that it will be much more sane than any human, with a clear grasp on what constitutes justice. Or at least as clear a grasp as any human has had. Again, these are just the opinionated musings of a non-computer person. My apologies to the "community" if I crossed a velvet rope without paying the doorman.
Anthony On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > UGH! > > >> My point is only that it is obvious that we are heading towards > something really quickly, with unstoppable inertia, and unless some world > tyrant crushed all freedoms and prevented everyone from doing what they are > doing, there is no way that it is not going to happen. > > Most people on this list would agree. > > >> So, enjoy, and be an observer to the show. The ending is easy to > predict so don't worry (excessively) about the details. > > Anthony, I don't know who you are . . . . but you're certainly *NOT* > speaking for the community. You are in a *very* small minority. > > <Note: I normally wouldn't bother posting a reply to something like this, > but this is *SO* contrary to the general consensus of the community that I > feel it is necessary> > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Anthony George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:47 PM > *Subject:* Re: [agi] What should we do to be prepared? > > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:53 AM, rg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > Is anyone discussing what to do in the future when we > > have made AGIs? I thought that was part of why > > the singularity institute was made ? > > > > Note, that I am not saying we should not make them! > > Because someone will regardless of what we decide. > > > > I am asking for what should do to prepare for it! > > and also how we should affect the creation of AGIs? > > > > Here's some questions, I hope I am not the first to come up with. > > > > * Will they be sane? > > * Will they just be smart enough to pretend to be sane? > > until...they do not have to anymore. > > > > * Should we let them decide for us ? > > If not should we/can we restrict them ? > > > > * Can they feel any empathy for us ? > > If not, again should we try to manipulate/force them to > > act like they do? > > > > * Our society is very dependent on computer systems > > everywhere and its increasing!!! > > Should we let the AGIs have access to the internet ? > > If not is it even possible to restrict an AGI that can think super fast > > is a super genious and also has a lot of raw computer power? > > That most likely can find many solutions to get internet access... > > (( I can give many crazy examples on how if anyone doubts)) > > > > * What should we "stupid" organics do to prepare ? > > Reduce our dependency? > > > > * Should a scientist, that do not have true ethical values be allowed to > > do AGI research ? > > Someone that just pretend to be ethical, someone that just wants the > > glory and the > > Nobel price....someone that answers the statement: It is insane With: > > Oh its just needs > > some adjustment, don't worry :) > > > > * What is the military doing ? Should we raise public awareness to gain > > insight? > > I guess all can imagine why this is important.. > > > > The only answers I have found to what can truly control/restrict an AGI > > smarter than us > > are few.. > > > > - Another AGI > > - Total isolation > > > > So anyone thinking about this? > > > > > > > > > > You seem rather concerned about this. I don't agree that concern is > > warranted, at least not if that concern becomes negative or painful. Now, > > the magisterium of contemporary scientific culture would stone me with > > condescending thoughts of "how silly... a folksy ignoramus" for saying or > > even thinking this.. but..... just as hands are for grabbing and eyes are > > for seeing, final cause is not hard at all to intuit. You can't find it > > with an instrument, but it is right there in front of you if you look for > > it. Having said that, if you can accept that eyes are for seeing, then it > > is not too hard to intuit that we are, on some level, aside from our > > individual journeys perhaps, for building a medium for a noosphere. Said > > another way, the next step in the evolution from rock to pure living > > information is, I think, the WWW as AGI, probably with nanobots and direct > > interface with human brains.. Or maybe not. My point is only that it is > > obvious that we are heading towards something really quickly, with > > unstoppable inertia, and unless some world tyrant crushed all freedoms and > > prevented everyone from doing what they are doing, there is no way that it > > is not going to happen. So, enjoy, and be an observer to the show. The > > ending is easy to predict so don't worry (excessively) about the details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > agi > > Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > > Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<http://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<http://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=95818715-a78a9b Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
