On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Sure! Friendliness is a state which promotes an entity's own goals; > >> therefore, any entity will generally voluntarily attempt to return to > that > >> (Friendly) state since it is in it's own self-interest to do so. > > > > In my example it's also explicitly in dominant structure's > > self-interest to crush all opposition. You used a word "friendliness" > > in place of "attractor". > > While it is "explicitly in dominant structure's self-interest to crush all > opposition", I don't believe that doing so is OPTIMAL except in a > *vanishingly* small minority of cases. I believe that such thinking is an > error of taking the most obvious and provably successful/satisfiable (but > sub-optimal) action FOR A SINGLE GOAL over a less obvious but more optimal > action for multiple goals. Yes, crushing the opposition works -- but it is > *NOT* optimal for the dominant structure's long-term self-interest (and the > intelligent/wise dominant structure is clearly going to want to OPTIMIZE > it's self-interest). > > Huh? I only used the work Friendliness as the first part of the definition > as in "Friendliness is . . . . " I don't understand your objection. >
Terms of the game are described here: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/02/taboo-words.html What I'm trying to find out is what your alternative is and why is it more optimal then crush-them-all. My impression was that your friendliness-thing was about the strategy of avoiding being crushed by next big thing that takes over. When I'm in a position to prevent that from ever happening, why friendliness-thing is still relevant? The objective of taboo game is to avoid saying things like "friendliness-thing will be preferred because it's an attractor" or "because it's more optimal", or "because it's in system's self-interest", and to actually explain why that is the case. For now, I see crush-them-all as a pretty good solution. -- Vladimir Nesov [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=95818715-a78a9b Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
