Richard,
In your blog you said: "- Memory. Does the mechanism use stored information about what it was doing fifteen minutes ago, when it is making a decision about what to do now? An hour ago? A million years ago? Whatever: if it remembers, then it has memory. "- Development. Does the mechanism change its character in some way over time? Does it adapt? "- Identity. Do individuals of a certain type have their own unique identities, so that the result of an interaction depends on more than the type of the object, but also the particular individuals involved? "- Nonlinearity. Are the functions describing the behavior deeply nonlinear? These four characteristics are enough. Go take a look at a natural system in physics, or an engineering system, and find one in which the components of the system interact with memory, development, identity and nonlinearity. You will not find any that are understood. ". "Notice, above all, that no engineer has ever tried to persuade one of these artificial systems to conform to a pre-chosen overall behavior.." I am quite sure there have been many AI system that have had all four of these features and that have worked pretty much as planned and whose behavior is reasonably well understood (although not totally understood, as is nothing that is truly complex in the non-Richard sense), and whose overall behavior has been as chosen by design (with a little experimentation thrown in) . To be fair I can't remember any off the top of my head, because I have read about many AI systems over the years. But recording episodes is very common in many prior AI systems. So is adaptation. Nonlinearity is almost universal, and Identity as you define it would be pretty common. So, please --- other people on this list help me out --- but I am quite sure system have been built that prove the above quoted statement to be false. Ed Porter -----Original Message----- From: Richard Loosemore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [agi] Adding to the extended essay on the complex systems problem Yesterday and today I have added more posts (susaro.com) relating to the definition of complex systems and why this should be a problem for AGI research. Richard Loosemore ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=101455710-f059c4 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
