Hi Jim,

  Funny, I was just thinking re the reply to your point, the second before I 
read it. What I was going to say was: I read a lot of Harnad many years ago, 
and I was a bit confused then about exactly what he was positing re the 
intermediate levels of processing - iconic/categorical.

  It's simply I think - and I stand to be corrected - that he has never pushed 
those levels v. hard at all. They are definitely there in his writing, but not 
elaborated.

  So the only enduring impression he has left, IMO, is the idea of "symbol 
grounding" - which people have interpreted in various ways.

  As you can imagine, I personally would have liked to see a lot more re those 
intermediate levels. And if he had pushed them, someone would presumably have 
brought him up in conection with Jeff Hawkins' work.

  Jim:MT:
  No, a symbol is simply anything abstract that stands for an object -  word 
  sounds, alphabetic words, numbers, logical variables etc. The earliest 
  proto-symbols may well have been emotions.

  My point is that Harnad clearly talks of two intermediate visual/sensory 
  levels of processing - the iconic and still-more-schematic "categorical 
  representations" -  neither of which I can remember seeing in the ideas of 
  anyone here for their AGI's. But I may have forgotten something/someone. 
  Have I?

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  If Harnad's ideas had made the critical difference between true artificial 
intelligence and the kind of AI that you have criticized, you would have heard 
a lot more about them before this.
  Jim Bromer



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