--- On Sun, 6/1/08, John G. Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> AI has a long way to go to thwart CAPTCHAs altogether.
> There are math CAPTCHAs (MAPTCHAs), 3-D CAPTCHAs, image rec CAPTCHAs,
> audio and I can think
> of some that are quite difficult for AI. Actually coming up
> with new CAPTCHAs would be a neat AI subproject, as well as
> thwarting existing ones.

I think security is going to be a driving force behind AI development. You can 
see which way this is heading. It is a scruffy approach, no grand theories, 
just a series of hacks and incremental improvements on both sides to get the 
job done. Ultimately all CAPTCHAs will fail and we will need AI to detect 
malicious activity downstream.

> > > Does that have anything to do with consciousness?
> > > What's the test for consciousness?
> > 
> > I think the way you are using the term, it is the Turing test.
> > 
> 
> Are you sure? Isn't that supposed to just differentiate
> between computer and human? Not between unconscious and
> conscious? Unless you think consciousness is just belief...

Yes. A CAPTCHA is a cheap Turing test. Whether a machine "thinks" or is 
conscious is just an irrelevant distraction that Turing wanted to avoid.

-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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