On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Steve Richfield
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Were you actually proposing that AGIs act while leaving their users in 
>ignorance?!

The Supervised AGI (playing the advisor's role) would just do its best
to provide whatever into/solution was *requested* [before the solution
deadline] - so we cannot talk about leaving us "in ignorance" here.
The 100% unsupervised will have to deal with it on its own. This would
be a pretty distant future I guess. And yes, this one would be set to
leave us "in ignorance", because if such system cannot figure the
problem out, we would be helpless anyway.

>While (as you pointed out) AGI's doing things other than educating may be 
>technologically possible, I fail to see any value in such solutions, except 
>possibly in fast-reacting systems, e.g. military fire control systems.

The value is saving us from doing many (and eventually all the) things
we don't truly enjoy. Again, that's a distant future. I believe there
will be a point when we will give up trying to keep up with powerful
artificial self-improving problem solvers. Why would we want to do
things that don't feel totally awesome while knowing that machines
would do the job at least as well as us and probably a lot better.

>Dr. Eliza is built on the assumption that all of the "problems" that are made 
>up of known parts can be best solved through education. So far, I have failed 
>to find a counterexample. Do you know of any counterexamples?

It might be a correct assumption, but an important point IMO is *who*
needs to get educated.
You may not necessarily want to mess with a particular problem/education.
You may have much better things to do. All of us may have better things to do.
Just listen to that word: "PROBLEM".. Do you want to have anything to
do with problems if you absolutely don't have to?
So when we get there, we will just say: "Hey AGI, you deal with those
things!".. And it will.

Regards,
Jiri Jelinek


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