Hi... About OCP and Eliezer ...
This is another topic that was bound to come up! OpenCogPrime is the design and approach of myself and a number of my colleagues ... but it's not Eliezer's design or approach Eliezer and I have many points of agreement, many points of disagreement, and many points of ongoing debate and discussion ... and of course, considerable mutual respect for one another as thinkers .... I'm not going to try to put words in his mouth ... but I will say some fairly obvious things on this theme... 1) for sure, we would both prefer a provably beneficial AGI system. 2) He is more optimistic than I am that a provably beneficial (or provably Friendly, etc.) AGI system is a feasible goal. 3) we both agree that it would be dangerous to allow an AGI system whose ethical nature was poorly understood to achieve a high level of intelligence and/or practical power 4) I tend to be of the opinion that a useful theory of AGI ethics is more likely to come out of a combination of theory and experimentation (experimentation with AGi systems w/ general intelligence below that of an adult human, but much greater than that of existing AI programs), than out of pure armchair theorizing... 5) I am more optimistic than Eliezer about the AGI potential of OpenCogPrime type systems -- Ben G On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Terren Suydam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I don't understand is how Eliezer Yudkowski, whose focus is on > "Provably Friendly" AGI, could be happy with a design that emphasizes > emergence as the explanatory bridge that crosses the gap between design and > self-awareness. Ben, is this a point of contention between you two or does > Eliezer endorse your approach? > > Specifically, how could the concept of Friendliness be programmed in, in > prior fashion, when the relevant structures (self, other) must emerge after > the software's been written? > > Terren > > --- On *Fri, 8/1/08, David Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > It is intended that correct and efficient learning methodologies will be > influenced by emergent behaviors arising from elements of interaction > (beginning at the inter-atom level) and tuning (mostly at the MindAgent > level), all of which is carefully considered in the OCP design (although > not yet explicitly and thoroughly explained in the wikibook). > > -dave > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
