On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I think is that the set of patterns in perceptual and motoric data has > radically different statistical properties than the set of patterns in > linguistic and mathematical data ... and that the properties of the set of > patterns in perceptual and motoric data is intrinsically better suited to > the needs of a young, ignorant, developing mind.
Sure it is. Systems with different sensory channels will never "fully understand" each other. I'm not saying that one channel (verbal) can replace another (visual), but that both of them (and many others) can give symbol/representation/concept/pattern/whatever-you-call-it meaning. No on is more "real" than others. > All these different domains of pattern display what I've called a "dual > network" structure ... a collection of hierarchies (of progressively more > and more complex, hierarchically nested patterns) overlayed with a > heterarchy (of overlapping, interrelated patterns). But the statistics of > the dual networks in the different domains is different. I haven't fully > plumbed the difference yet ... but, among the many differences is that in > perceptual/motoric domains, you have a very richly connected dual network at > a very low level of the overall dual network hierarchy -- i.e., there's a > richly connected web of relatively simple stuff to understand ... and then > these simple things are related to (hence useful for learning) the more > complex things, etc. True, but can you say that the relations among words, or concepts, are simpler? > In short, Pei, I agree that the arguments typically presented in favor of > embodiment in AI suck. However, I think there are deeper factors going on > which do imply a profound value of embodiment for AGI. Unfortunately, we > currently lack a really appropriate scientific language for describing the > differences in statistical organization between different pattern-sets, so > it's almost as difficult to articulate these differences as it is to > understand them... In this short paper, I make no attempt to settle all issues, but just to point out a simple fact --- a laptop has a body, and is not less embodied than Roomba or Mindstorms --- that seems have been ignored in the previous discussion. Pei ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=111637683-c8fa51 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
