On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:12 AM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Also, relatedly and just as critically, the set of perceptions regarding >> the body and its interactions with the environment, are well-structured to >> give the mind a sense of its own self. This primitive infantile sense of >> body-self gives rise to the more sophisticated phenomenal self of the child >> and adult mind, which gives rise to reflective consciousness, the feeling of >> will, and other characteristic structures of humanlike general >> intelligence. A stream of words doesn't seem to give an AI the same kind of >> opportunity for self-development.... > > To put it perhaps more clearly: I think that a standard laptop is too > lacking in > > -- proprioceptive perception > > -- perception of its own relationship to other entities in the world around > it
Obviously you didn't consider the potential a laptop has with its network connection, which in theory can give it all kinds of perception by connecting it to some input/output device. Even if we exclude network, your conclusion is still problematic. Why a touchpad cannot provide proprioceptive perception? I agree it usually doesn't, because the way it is used, but that doesn't mean it cannot, under all possible usage. The same is true for keyboard. The current limitation of the standard computer is more in the way we use them than in the hardware itself. > to form a physical self-image based on its perceptions ... hence a standard > laptop will not likely be driven by its experience to develop a phenomenal > self ... hence, I suspect, no generally intelligent mind... Of course it won't have a visual concept of "self", but a system like NARS has the potential to grow into an intelligent operating system, with a notion of "self" based on what it can feel and do, as well as the causal relations among them --- "If there is a file in this folder, then I should have felt it, it cannot be there because I've deleted the contents". I know some people won't agree there is a "self" in such a system, because it doesn't look like themselves. Too bad human intelligence is the only known example of intelligence ... Pei ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=111637683-c8fa51 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
