I do not think that it is essential for the quality of my chess who had taught me to play chess. I could have learned the rules from a book alone. Of course these rules are written in a language. But this is not important for the quality of my chess.
If a system is in state x then it is not essential for the future how x was generated. Thus a programmer can hardcode the rules of chess in his AGI and then, concerning chess the AGI would be in the same state as if someone teaches the AGI the chess rules via language. The social aspect of learning chess is of no relevance. -Matthias -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Trent Waddington [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Vladimir Nesov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Current AIs learn chess without engaging in social activities ;-). > And chess might be a good drosophila for AI, if it's treated as such ( > http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/chess.html ). > This was uncalled for. No, they don't. How to evaluate the board position is programmed into them. How to prune the search space is programmed into them. Current chess playing programs don't learn how to play chess at all. I learnt to play chess.. initially from my Dad, subsequently from my peers, and with some many hours of study of the literature. Dr. Matthias Heger wrote: >If you give the system the rules of chess then it has all which is necessary >to know to become a good chess player. >It may play against itself or against a common chess program or against >humans. Giving it the rules is a social activity.. playing against it is a social activity. If *you* could learn to play chess from a list of rules written in a language you don't understand (cause if you understand it, then that too is a social activity) then I wouldn't consider you "intelligent", I'd consider you a freakin' genius who has achieved the impossible. As I said, this is a nonsensical suggestion. Chess is a *game* and either game playing algorithms are hard coded to play well or you need to teach them to play well. *Maybe* you could teach a child how to play chess by slapping them whenever they make an incorrect move but this would just be cruel. Language is how we convey to beginners the rules and the common tactics and strategies of the game. Trent ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=117534816-b15a34 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
