On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:35 PM, rob levy <[email protected]> wrote: I think there must be a computational or physical/computational problem we have yet to clearly identify that goes along with an objection certain philosophers like Chalmers have made about neural correlates, roughly: why should one level of analysis or type of structure (eg neurons, brain regions, dynamically synchronized ensembles of neurons, or even the organism-environment system), have this magic property of consciousness? ------------ I don't think that it will be understood fully during our lifetimes. And I don't think that the unknown aspects of this is relevant to computer programming. However, the question of subjective meaning is very relevant. ------------ rob levy <[email protected]> wrote: what is it about a system that makes it unified/integrated such that its relationship to other things constitutes a landscape of relevant meaning to the system as a whole. I think that if that an explanation of meaning-to-a-system is either the same as an explanation of first-hand subjectivity, or is closely tied to it, though if subjectivity turns out to be part of a physical problem and not a purely computational one, then we probably won't solve the above-posed problem without such a physical explanation being clarified (not necessarily explained though, just as we don't know what electricity really is for example). ------------ That is interesting. I wonder if there is a way to make that sense of subjectivity and subjective meaning a basic quality of a simple AGI program, and if it could be a valuable elemental method of analyzing the IO data environment. I think objectives are an important method of testing ideas (and idea-like impressions and reactions). And this combination of setting objectives to test ideas and further develop new ideas does seem to lend itself to developing a sense of subjective experience in relation to the 'objects' of the IO data environment.
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