sorry,i think all the cognition are base on a private language of models base on topolical geometrical dynamic in our web mental therefore the mecanism of vision serve at vision&mental-vision bruno
________________________________ De : Mike Tintner <[email protected]> À : agi <[email protected]> Envoyé le : Lun 9 août 2010, 18h 48min 49s Objet : Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 Ben:I think that vision and the vision-cognition bridge are important for AGI, but I think they're only a moderate portion of the problem, and not the hardest part... Which is? From: Ben Goertzel Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 4:57 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]> wrote: Ben:I don't agree that solving vision and the vision-cognition bridge is *such* a huge part of AGI, though it's certainly a nontrivial percentage > >Presumably because you don't envisage your AGI/computer as an independent >entity? All its info. is going to have to be entered into it in a specially >prepared form - and it's still going to be massively and continuously >dependent >on human programmers? I envisage my AGI as an independent entity, ingesting information from the world in a similar manner to how humans do (as well as through additional senses not available to humans) You misunderstood my statement. I think that vision and the vision-cognition bridge are important for AGI, but I think they're only a moderate portion of the problem, and not the hardest part... > >Humans and real AGI's receive virtually all their info. - certainly all their >internet info - through heavily visual processing (with obvious exceptions >like >sound). You can't do maths and logic if you can't see them, and they have >visual >forms - equations and logic have visual form and use visual ideogrammatic as >well as visual numerical signs. > > >Just wh. intelligent problemsolving operations is your AGI going to do, >that do >NOT involve visual processing OR - the alternative - massive human assistance >to >substitute for that processing? > >agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC CTO, Genescient Corp Vice Chairman, Humanity+ Advisor, Singularity University and Singularity Institute External Research Professor, Xiamen University, China [email protected] "I admit that two times two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, two times two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too." -- Fyodor Dostoevsky agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
