IMO the hardest part is not any particular part, but rather integration: getting all the parts to work together in a scalable, adaptive way...
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Mike Tintner <tint...@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: > Ben:I think that vision and the vision-cognition bridge are important for > AGI, but I think they're only a moderate portion of the problem, and not the > hardest part... > > Which is? > > > *From:* Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org> > *Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 4:57 PM > *To:* agi <agi@v2.listbox.com> > *Subject:* Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 > > > > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Mike Tintner <tint...@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: > >> Ben: I don't agree that solving vision and the vision-cognition bridge >> is *such* a huge part of AGI, though it's certainly a nontrivial percentage >> >> Presumably because you don't envisage your AGI/computer as an independent >> entity? All its info. is going to have to be entered into it in a specially >> prepared form - and it's still going to be massively and continuously >> dependent on human programmers? >> > > I envisage my AGI as an independent entity, ingesting information from the > world in a similar manner to how humans do (as well as through additional > senses not available to humans) > > You misunderstood my statement. I think that vision and the > vision-cognition bridge are important for AGI, but I think they're only a > moderate portion of the problem, and not the hardest part... > > > >> >> Humans and real AGI's receive virtually all their info. - certainly all >> their internet info - through heavily visual processing (with obvious >> exceptions like sound). You can't do maths and logic if you can't see them, >> and they have visual forms - equations and logic have visual form and use >> visual ideogrammatic as well as visual numerical signs. >> >> Just wh. intelligent problemsolving operations is your AGI going to do, >> that do NOT involve visual processing OR - the alternative - massive human >> assistance to substitute for that processing? >> >> *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | >> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC > CTO, Genescient Corp > Vice Chairman, Humanity+ > Advisor, Singularity University and Singularity Institute > External Research Professor, Xiamen University, China > b...@goertzel.org > > "I admit that two times two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are > to give everything its due, two times two makes five is sometimes a very > charming thing too." -- Fyodor Dostoevsky > > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC CTO, Genescient Corp Vice Chairman, Humanity+ Advisor, Singularity University and Singularity Institute External Research Professor, Xiamen University, China b...@goertzel.org "I admit that two times two makes four is an excellent thing, but if we are to give everything its due, two times two makes five is sometimes a very charming thing too." -- Fyodor Dostoevsky ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
